EnyFlyr

The AEX accident back in December was also on the news and as far as I know those guys are still around

dera

Based on a P2P guy, no they are not.
CA wasn't fired though. FO was.

MISOhigh

Don’t come here, better options elsewhere. From AAG management all the way down, poor decision making and long-term vision in creating an environment in which people want to come to work.

havick206

My flow is in about 18 months (maybe less with attrition) and I’m also interviewing elsewhere as we speak.

It’s all the little things adding up but the big one was the ORD crew that got fired. That, and pay not keeping pace with industry

skyemiles2

I’m approaching my hours, so looking for some feedback on Envoy vs. ExpressJet.

Initially commuting, and more excited about moving into Envoy bases.

I ended up not feeling very good about Envoy post-interview, in spite of it being my top choice. Trying to reconcile whether flow is worth it, or if the culture out on the line is also this negative?

ExpressJet still seems like a gamble, so any thoughts are appreciated.

ENH017

The culture is nowhere near this negative on the line, unless you fly with the junior reserve captains who are commuting in for some reason. This job isn't fun when you are junior, but that's any airline. Seniority here is very comfortable, being a senior FO here is the easiest job I've ever had tbh

Voski

I’ll just say this about flow — new hires are looking at 8.9+ years to flow. That’s not accounting for outside attrition, however, attrition is much higher on the FO side than the CA side. While it’s pure guesswork (nobody can say definitively since it’s a moving target), likely best case scenario is flowing in 6+ years. Plus, flow is not guaranteed outside the protected pilots, so do you really wanna stick around? The biggest benefit to flow right now is not the AA carrot, but the guaranteed seniority list advancement.

There’s better places for more flying, higher compensation packages, and better work rules.

NoValueAviator

This hasn’t been my experience at all. From the salty guys who are projected to flow within a year and get their top pick of lines to the commuting-to-rsv direct entry captains, everyone is fairly cynical. Most are still highly professional and never take it out on the passengers, but wait until you’re on a flight that makes a very questionably necessary diversion to the CA’s commuter city...

Or even just digs their heels in, causes a delay on the ground, and makes you write an M51 blaming everyone but themselves, then goes .64 when they finally do get airborne to force missed connections - not for the crew, but on the customers.

Stuff like this sure knocks the wind out of your sails. I bet it doesn’t happen at Endeavor for example, where people are mostly happy. If you’d told me I’d see crap like this at Envoy a year and a half ago I’d have called you a liar to your face. Maybe things are different on the 175 side, most things are.

EnyFlyr

Being a “senior” FO only lasts a few months until you get displaced and become a junior reserve captain ..

moon

The flow seems nice but is it really worth giving up 20k a year for it? Think of how many people you could pay to craft the perfect application, and with the extra pay rates you won't have to work as much so you can spend time volunteering to boost your resume. Youd easily be leaving behind 100k+ by the time you flow.