Envoy 2019
02-26-2019, 04:13 AM
#542
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Ending because the program served its purpose. It was a stop gap while we waited for all the new hires to get hours so they could upgrade. The company now feels it has enough Captains or soon to be Captains ready to go. Makes more sense to just upgrade from within rather than pay the DEC's.
02-26-2019, 06:43 AM
#544
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Posts: 1,138
02-26-2019, 08:05 AM
#545
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The company no longer needs to see a logbook. You used to have to bring it in when upgrading due to the fact that most FOs used to be applying for an ATP from a Commercial certificate. You'd have to bring logbooks in to show that you've met the flight time requirements for an ATP. Since FOs are now required to have an ATP, the company doesn't care to see your logbooks. Now, for the R-ATP guys, they are responsible for going to the FSDO to get the restriction removed from their certificate to make it a full fledged ATP. When going into the FSDO to do that, I'd imagine they would need to see a logbook. I'm not sure if they do or do not. Someone who's been through that process can chime in.
02-26-2019, 09:18 AM
#546
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
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The company no longer needs to see a logbook. You used to have to bring it in when upgrading due to the fact that most FOs used to be applying for an ATP from a Commercial certificate. You'd have to bring logbooks in to show that you've met the flight time requirements for an ATP. Since FOs are now required to have an ATP, the company doesn't care to see your logbooks. Now, for the R-ATP guys, they are responsible for going to the FSDO to get the restriction removed from their certificate to make it a full fledged ATP. When going into the FSDO to do that, I'd imagine they would need to see a logbook. I'm not sure if they do or do not. Someone who's been through that process can chime in.
The APD has to verify the updated hours.
This dialogue may or may not have happened during my LOE with my CA pair:
APD: "I see you updated your hours. You showed me your logbook, right?"
CA: "No, I don't have my logbooks with me"
APD: "I mean - You showed me your logbook, RIGHT?"
CA: "Ah yes, I did"
APD: "Good. If the FAA was here, you'd be f*cked".
02-26-2019, 10:40 AM
#547
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You "need" your logbook if you updated your hours in IACRA.
The APD has to verify the updated hours.
This dialogue may or may not have happened during my LOE with my CA pair:
APD: "I see you updated your hours. You showed me your logbook, right?"
CA: "No, I don't have my logbooks with me"
APD: "I mean - You showed me your logbook, RIGHT?"
CA: "Ah yes, I did"
APD: "Good. If the FAA was here, you'd be f*cked".
The APD has to verify the updated hours.
This dialogue may or may not have happened during my LOE with my CA pair:
APD: "I see you updated your hours. You showed me your logbook, right?"
CA: "No, I don't have my logbooks with me"
APD: "I mean - You showed me your logbook, RIGHT?"
CA: "Ah yes, I did"
APD: "Good. If the FAA was here, you'd be f*cked".
02-26-2019, 10:41 AM
#548
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Somehow that doesn’t seem right. The company has a record of your time. If you fulfilled the criteria of the ATP on your initial type ride, then why should you be required to bring a log book? There isn’t a FAR that I’m aware of that says you need to keep your hours logged, you just need to meet the requirements.
02-26-2019, 10:46 AM
#549
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
Exactly. The official FAA hours need to be verified by the APD if, and only if, you update them in IACRA, and the company records aren't sufficient for that (because you can buzz around in a 150 outside company flying if you want).
02-26-2019, 10:53 AM
#550
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 141
Alternatively, one can update her/his hours during your FAA Medical renewal process (best option). This method avoids putting the APD on the hook for validating your logbook during the IACRA sign off.
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