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Old 02-19-2019, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
BS

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Not BS. I know of a few qualified dudes who got a no. The 172 right seaters are a small minority. There might be a few, but not many.

And yes, enjoying the reserve life now. It's pretty chill.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Plenty? 0 in our class, 0 in the class after ours.
Not doubting your social skills, but did you actually go ask every single person from the two classes?
I know some in classes this year, so, I guess, OMG the standards are slipping and they ran out of the crème de la crème to hire after your class.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Not BS. I know of a few qualified dudes who got a no. The 172 right seaters are a small minority. There might be a few, but not many.

And yes, enjoying the reserve life now. It's pretty chill.
Then the qualified dudes didn't prepare for the interview or applied prior to mid October.
In any of my friends' interview days just about everyone got an offer. Also don't know anyone who applied and isn't working here now, but the sample isn't statistically significant.

Plenty of free time, huh? Take a selfie* and enjoy that lazy time.

*to look back and reflect upon the glee after realizing how bottomless this company's bag of surprises is.
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
Not doubting your social skills, but did you actually go ask every single person from the two classes?
I know some in classes this year, so, I guess, OMG the standards are slipping and they ran out of the crème de la crème to hire after your class.
I know the background of every guy in our class obviously. And I already knew a few guys from the next class before they started. They didn't have any non-cadet CFIs. The classes after that, maybe a few, but still a small minority.

Hiring is definitely opening up, but it's still far from an "open doors" policy. They can be selective, and interview groups are still small.
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
Then the qualified dudes didn't prepare for the interview or applied prior to mid October.
In any of my friends' interview days just about everyone got an offer. Also don't know anyone who applied and isn't working here now, but the sample isn't statistically significant.

Plenty of free time, huh? Take a selfie* and enjoy that lazy time.

*to look back and reflect upon the glee after realizing how bottomless this company's bag of surprises is.
Just about everyone might have gotten an offer, but there were likely 5-6 people interviewing that given day.

When I interviewed at Republic, there were 34 people interviewing that day. And they did that twice a week. Most of them were CFIs. Nothing like that at Envoy for now. 7 last week for example, I think 5 got the offer.
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
I know the background of every guy in our class obviously.
duuuh....

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Just about everyone might have gotten an offer, but there were likely 5-6 people interviewing that given day.

When I interviewed at Republic, there were 34 people interviewing that day. And they did that twice a week. Most of them were CFIs. Nothing like that at Envoy for now. 7 last week for example, I think 5 got the offer.
Envoy did trim down the hiring last year, while Republic and Endeavor overhired. End result? The two highest paying regionals are next to impossible to get into in a timely fashion, so our classes keep being full - thanks flow and the upcoming doubling of the 175 fleet! - while the pay stays the same. Genius move, whether intended, or driven by the DECs newhire numbers.
SkyWest bumped their pay, and so did ExpressJet (congrats to them, btw, on the yesterday's and next class numbers!), so let's see how it impacts our hiring. Both have bases in TX, both have ORD. SkyWest, however, is offering classes mid-summer as of now, I heard?
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
I’ve been able to drop so much stuff I barely work here anymore. 145 FO. Things are changing, you guys that are getting denied on RF 100 DROPs, keep trying.
What gets me is why would you drop ANY flying as an FO? Wouldn’t you like to upgrade one day?
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by flyer2710
What gets me is why would you drop ANY flying as an FO? Wouldn’t you like to upgrade one day?
You're new to Envoy APC, right?
You're supposed to do what you can to remain an FO as long as possible, while complaining about the FO pay. At the same time you're supposed to tell everyone not to come here, and how the flow is going away, how reserve is 2+ years and you will 100% get the ORD 145 from training, while not applying anywhere else because you're too close to your flow date.
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by flyer2710
What gets me is why would you drop ANY flying as an FO? Wouldn’t you like to upgrade one day?
Yeah of course, it's usually just a turn here and there for my schedules sake. Sometimes I can't always accomplish everything even with ATTOT, RF, and pilot trades. Stuff happens.
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Old 02-21-2019, 02:36 AM
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First of all, you only drop reserve days. You cling tenaciously to any flying you manage to get your hands on. I know this is still confusing to guys who have never experienced years of involuntary reserve in ultra-high cost of living bases.

Basically, in some cases the odds of flying (extremely remote) and whatever is left of the pay net of expenses associated with being in base not getting overnights does not justify coming in after commuter hotels run out and insurance is paid for.
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