Envoy 2019
01-21-2019, 07:46 AM
#272
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 210
Appreciate it guys. Last question do TN count as days off towards your 11? They are not traveling me back to base between events. I know it counts as a working day for pay purposes and will get the 3.7, but will they give me extra return days?
01-21-2019, 01:14 PM
#273
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 468
Unless it’s changed since I was in recurrent in August it does count towards your 11 days and you will not be paid extra for it. It’s considered a day off even if not DFW based.
01-21-2019, 03:00 PM
#274
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,495
MASSIVELY depends on your definition of "really good." I can't think of ONE among my colleagues that doesn't saddle its pilots with "extra duties," and that includes the "legendary" Coca-Cola flight department.
I was paid quite a bit when I managed and flew a company's jet. Salaries didn't get THAT much higher, and every day, year after year, it was rather strongly implied (in multiple areas of work) that I was expected to eat, sleep, and breathe my job.
This is pretty much the only place in aviation where you needn't worry about being tasked with anything but operating aircraft.
"Moderately good" corporate jobs:
Let's say you LOVE, say...being asked to help turn wrenches with mechanics after having to find a rental car to retrieve the part you you had to hunt for on Partsbase (AFTER having worked a "duty day" that's left you desolated); these jobs are ones you've snagged via a rather long investment in networking over the course of several training cycles at SimuFlite...most likely...or after being invited to lunch with the guys that X-Corp forces to come to their hangar five days a week just down the way from the Signature ramp.
In nearly EVERY case, not having the type rating for the aircraft they operate promptly removes you from all consideration.
I was paid quite a bit when I managed and flew a company's jet. Salaries didn't get THAT much higher, and every day, year after year, it was rather strongly implied (in multiple areas of work) that I was expected to eat, sleep, and breathe my job.
This is pretty much the only place in aviation where you needn't worry about being tasked with anything but operating aircraft.
"Moderately good" corporate jobs:
Let's say you LOVE, say...being asked to help turn wrenches with mechanics after having to find a rental car to retrieve the part you you had to hunt for on Partsbase (AFTER having worked a "duty day" that's left you desolated); these jobs are ones you've snagged via a rather long investment in networking over the course of several training cycles at SimuFlite...most likely...or after being invited to lunch with the guys that X-Corp forces to come to their hangar five days a week just down the way from the Signature ramp.
In nearly EVERY case, not having the type rating for the aircraft they operate promptly removes you from all consideration.
Look, 91 jobs generally will require you to do more than JUST fly. That doesn’t make them outright bad. A bad ‘boss’ will ruin the job though, even if you have a good contract in place, and that comment about being expected to eat, sleep, and breath your job indicates you had an ******* for an employer.
I’ll tell you one thing I miss from my last job before coming here, averaging 5 nights per month in a bed other than mine.
There is a lot of variety in the 91 world and some of those jobs are very good. I will admit there are more bad ones than good ones though. And even if you have a good one, you can gaurantee it will not last forever.
01-21-2019, 03:19 PM
#275
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Look it up in the contract. It explains it pretty well. There are several caveats associated with your question so a straight answer may or may not work. I don't have the section of the contract memorized but you should find it.
01-21-2019, 05:00 PM
#276
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 92
FM1 3.12.1 C. "Drinking of any alcoholic beverage by any employee on duty (including deadheading and any type of training) or in uniform or by any crewmember at any time within a 12-hour limit prior to going on duty is forbidden."
So no drinking on deadheads and no drinking in the 12 hours prior to going on duty. Since most deadheads occur while on duty the 12 hour rule applies to deadheads. I'm not sure about company travel for non operational stuff (ie. training) but I wouldn't risk it.
No. You are under zero obligation to take a jumpset on an A pass. The only time I have ever taken a jumpseat on an A pass was when I couldn't make it into a normal seat as an A3, it was the last flight of the night home, and there were no other pilots attempting to get on the flight.
01-21-2019, 05:08 PM
#277
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 506
^^This. It is generally accepted practice in the industry that if the contract dictates positive space travel (training, DH to operate, etc.), you do not take the jumpseat. If the company wants to overbook, and has to buy off a revenue passenger as a result, that's their problem. Do not let a gate agent try to pull a fast one on you and talk you into giving up your contractual seat.
01-21-2019, 06:29 PM
#278
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,510
^^This. It is generally accepted practice in the industry that if the contract dictates positive space travel (training, DH to operate, etc.), you do not take the jumpseat. If the company wants to overbook, and has to buy off a revenue passenger as a result, that's their problem. Do not let a gate agent try to pull a fast one on you and talk you into giving up your contractual seat.
01-22-2019, 03:15 AM
#279
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 468
Again, unless there’s been a new change it’s not clear at all. The TN as part of the recurrent scheduling is relatively new. This was the 1st year it’s been used across the board. Therefore there was a lot of confusion and it was not well spelled out in the contract. It is NOT paid and it does count towards your 11 days off. A group of people were getting the union involved but I’m not sure if it went anywhere.
01-22-2019, 09:21 AM
#280
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Position: Center Seat
Posts: 143
Noob question, I’m DHD to ORD tomorrow evening to begin a 4 day. What happens if the flight cancels due to weather and I’m unable to get to Chicago to begin my trip? Should I leave earlier?
Thanks and I’m loading the contract as I type too.
Thanks and I’m loading the contract as I type too.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
