cr700

They are flocking to Envoy because it is the place to be. Industry leading flow, a guaranteed seat at American, quick upgrades, desirable bases are just some of the reasons. Got news for you. 20 at a time is standard but a little on the low side.

bigtime209

Go back to TalkAirline to troll Dacuj.

ninerdriver

Industry leading flow... get to AA in 9 years instead of 10! Hopefully, AA hasn't run out of money by then. It's certainly run out of airlines to takeover.

Quick upgrades... whether you want them or not!

Desirable bases... sure, but OO and/or Republic have you covered in each of your bases.

You (yes, specifically, you) and your marketing machine have all those ATP cadets written for suckers.

pitchattitude

Unfortunately there are enough cadet wanna bes that still live with mamma in the DFW area that will keep the classes fluffed.

Cujo665

That won’t continue. Just supply/demand. As much pressure as they had to increase pay, improve the flow, fix a few contract issues... that was with a minimal shortage. From 2020 on the shortage gets real. The fancy flow scheme will be seen as unnecessary by all but those without degrees. Rumor is a future flow change will require a degree to flow after a certain date. I’d advise the union use it effectively this time and not continue with 5 more years of bandaids.

On the company side, building lines that originate with DH’s to the outstation would allow quasi mini-bases as guys would just call scheduling to get removed from the DH letting them pick up the trip from home. Do the same at the end.
Could Approve 5 day trips if the first or last day is nothing but a DH. Boom, they could have the effect of mini-bases in any city at any time.
Calling to get let off the DH would release the hotel also, and return FTDT to the original.

With a little creative line building they’d save a mint in hotel costs while improving quality of life for crews as well.

Note to MGT - that was free, the other crew QOL improvements and associated cost savings I’ll give you for a consulting fee.

dera

Do you really want to give the company more freedom on line construction? You should see some of the gems they have come up with lately.

Those trips that you mention, with a DH in the beginning and end, would be great if you happen to live in base and if your seniority can hold them. If not, oh boy would they suck for a commuter.

Cujo665

No, you’d actually take the DH and hotel at the outstation as day one. The most commutable first day ever....

Look at your lines now and all the lost days and wasted overnights. Scheduling efficiency - and with changes - smartly would help everybody.

It would only take a few months to get the ratio right. If they start having too many taking the DH and hotel, then reduce the lines to that mini-base.

The rest comes with a fee. By now they should see that everything we’ve told them the past 8 years has happened exactly as told. Perhaps they should start listening.

Cyio

Point of clarity, a DH at the start and end of a trip is amazing for a commuter, or at least could be depending on where the location is.

For example, if you have a DH to Des Moines for example and your city has a flight from there, you can and get a DH directly to Des Moines. Same in reverse. I have used this exact process to get out of a non-rev commute. Very helpful if things work out right.

dera

I see what you are saying. Those are problematic though.
That would turn our 17 hour 4-days into 18 hour 5-days. Or 13 hour 4-days.
First/last day deadhead would destroy our average line value.
I just see so many red flags in that.

Cyio

I don’t believe I said any of that. Simply that a DH on either side of your trip can be useful for someone commuting.