dera

That's something you learn in kindergarten, not IOE.

HobGoblin

I don’t know him either, but they said he’s in the ICU in a medically induced coma with multiple broken vertebrae? That seems like a big deal, a bit more unique then a broken leg or the common cold. I think it’s nice the CPO is trying to organize to help a fellow pilot, I’m supportive of that.

Inclined plane

I personally change the trash bag when I hand over an aircraft, and have ALWAYS left the FO’s seat (when I’m in it) or CA’s seat (when I’m in it) with the seat belts off the the ground laid along the top of the seat towards the center.

However, where in FM1 or any company communication does it say that changing the trash bag or keeping the seatbelts off the cockpit floor, are required? It doesn’t. Therefore how can it be enforced? Answer: it can’t be. Is it annoying? Sure, I suppose but I’m not their dad. They are adults and I treat them as such. It’s simply not my place to be “teaching” things like that IMHO.

If I were to go around and start telling my “students” to come back to the cockpit and pick up their seatbelts off the floor, or to change the trash, I’d have to be prepared for them to challenge me on it. And if they said, I prefer to keep the seatbelts on the floor, or didn’t feel changing the bag was necessary, then what? Not enforceable. Let’s focus on flying standard (including no PEDs and using O2 masks)and less on things that Envoy literally has zero interest in. I’m just a “Junior check airman” so what do I know lol.


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wiz5422

For one a checkairm should lead by example, which from your post it seems you do...but it also means having those uncomfortable talks with newbies just not about SOP but everyday house cleaning chores.
No where in FM1 does it state be in the van on time not coming down the elevator at van time. But I hope that is a talk you would have with your students. fYI.

Cyio

I guess I missed this message. I didn’t see any company information regarding a coma, hence the question.

Cyio

How is something being enforceable have anything to do with teaching? A vast amount of things people learn in life are not enforceable.

Cyio

Again, my comment was about seeing more and more bags that are clearly not just a few sheets of paper.

Inclined plane

I agree with you that there are indeed vast amounts of things that people learn that are not enforceable. Not refuting you.

However, I teach SOPs as communicated by the company, and genuinely try not to micro-manage adult men and women sitting next to me. If there’s no guidance communicated by the union or the company on something, then it’s not a big deal. We are talking about how we leave the seatbelts when we are done? This is definitely not a concern to me. If the company or union wants to put out communication about how they want the seatbelts left, then they would do so and I’d happily make it a point to ensure my crew complied. However, it’s just not important.

If there were an issue, outside of SOPs that became apparent, (late coming down for van time more than once, leaving trash on their side of the cockpit outside of the trash bag more than once, etc.) then I would mention something in a constructive feedback manner, befitting of the severity of the offense. I feel that is a reasonable way to work with other adults.

There’s diversity of opinions, and yours is valid and noted. Thank you for your feedback.



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Cyio

I understand what you are saying, however this is like a ten second conversation. “We like to leave the seatbelts off the floor and after the flight it’s good practice to take the garbage out. Sometimes the captain grabs it sometimes the FO grabs it, but let’s try and get it out for the next crew”. Done and done.

Oh well, I guess I’m just seeing things differently.

Varsity

If there isn't anything with food particles on it, you shouldn't take the trash bag out for the sake of taking the trash bag out. Throwing away a plastic bag full of paper and an empty water bottle is irresponsible and wasteful.