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07-24-2019, 03:57 PM

#1541

MochaSwirl

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Originally Posted by dvtpilot

I didn’t see retro pay in there

It’s there From June 1st, not from May as originally promised.

07-24-2019, 03:57 PM

#1542

Squirrel27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Varsity

I mean the loss of classes at AA.

When AA doesn't run a class, we don't flow.

Lose 29 in august and 29 in September.

This "increase" barely treads water.

You lose your medical, you don't flow. Global recession, American stops hiring, you don't flow.

07-24-2019, 03:59 PM

#1543

PeakEGT

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Whatever it may be congratulations to you all. Hope this group gets what it deserves!

07-24-2019, 04:02 PM

#1544

pitchattitude

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Originally Posted by Ihavenoidea

How is it not a flow increase for everyone?

That does move everyone after them up by about two months. The same two months we lost from no hires due to MD80 retirement training.

It is not a continued flow increase.

07-24-2019, 05:10 PM

#1545

jake cutter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihavenoidea

How is it not a flow increase for everyone?

Yeah I’m not seeing any detail on flow . I’ll reserve judgment until I see detail. Unless I missed something.

07-24-2019, 05:16 PM

#1546

dera

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jake cutter

Yeah I’m not seeing any detail on flow . I’ll reserve judgment until I see detail. Unless I missed something.

15 increased to 20 for the next group. I think there's 152 pilots in that group.

07-24-2019, 05:27 PM

#1547

Ihavenoidea

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dera

15 increased to 20 for the next group. I think there's 152 pilots in that group.

Which means almost nothing for a new hire I guess. 152 pilots flowing sooner may shave a couple months off of a new hires flow date.

07-24-2019, 05:29 PM

#1548

pitchattitude

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihavenoidea

Which means almost nothing for a new hire I guess. 152 pilots flowing sooner may shave a couple months off of a new hires flow date.

If you were a new hire and came for the flow, well, then I don’t know what else to say.

07-24-2019, 05:30 PM

#1549

dera

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihavenoidea

Which means almost nothing for a new hire I guess. 152 pilots flowing sooner may shave a couple months off of a new hires flow date.

3 months, give or take a few weeks.

It's worth what, $70-90k for those pilots.

07-24-2019, 05:40 PM

#1550

Squirrel27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dera

3 months, give or take a few weeks.

It's worth what, $70-90k for those pilots.

Even wide body captains don't make $30k a month.

Even if they did, your claim has a lot of IFs in it. IF they don't lose their medical. IF they make it to American. IF they get a captain upgrade on a wide body. IF there isn't a global recession that prevents all of that. IF we aren't flying single pilot when we retire.

IFs don't pay the bills.