pitchattitude

Not really. It is not completely uncommon. Yes, there is certainly out of pocket to pay back the taxes until you can file. But if you make it through IOE, no black mark at all, especially if you continue with a normal progression at your next place. Obviously you have to explain why you are leaving ENY for XYZ to even get hired. If you can say it is better for your personal situation, it is not a problem.

skyemiles2

After I’m done having people wait on me hand and foot, I’m also tons of fun at parties.

highfarfast

Yeah Envoy can be good for someone. When I came on, Envoy was the best choice in my situation so it was certainly good for me and I’m not going to complain about my time here other that to just state how it’s been and what I expect it to be. Honestly, my experience, with a few notable exceptions has been good. But to say that everyone hired today will have a good experience because I did is so dishonest it’s ridiculous and why you have such a ridiculously difficult time putting yourself in other’s shoes is bewildering. Times and circumstances have chanced since I was a new hire. And I can still say there are still circumstances which someone will be best at Envoy... but they aren’t normal circumstances.

Anyone coming on today should know that not only can the be relegated to the waisted career land people are calling the 145, but also that even if they do get the 175, our contract... and Envoy’s contract with AAG that involves last pick of the scraps... means that they have little protection having meaningful QOL and pay.

You want pay and QOL and think you need flow... PLEASE, do yourself a favor and go to PSA. Don’t need flow (YOU DON’T), go to Endeavor, Republic, or Skywest. Have to wait on a class for them? Come here while you wait, but don’t spend your bonus. Then go.

dera

I've never said everyone hired today will have a good experience. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
You guys also are totally detached from the fact, that some new hires are enjoying this job, and Envoy is a great fit for them.

This "Envoy's contract with AAG that involves last pick of the scraps" is another fake news "fact" people repeat here. I can't help you if you believe that AAG just posts a bunch of flights available for grabs, and regionals pick them up in some preassigned order, like a pro sports draft.

I'm sure Vasu etc keep saying "oh crap, Skywest took that route, now we can only sell 70 seats on that route".

Is that why we got a good bunch of the super productive daytrip lines for June? Some of them from Mesa. I'm sure the senior guys who can hold them aren't complaining about 18-19 days off and 90+ hours of credit, and home every night.
They are also great picks off P2P (plenty of them available). Not bad to go to work for a turn and credit close to 7-8 hours.

ERAUAV8TR

Well regionals work by cost and on-time performance...Skywest has one of the cheapest costs for AA, thus they go first...kinda like a draft but the cheapest go first not the mvp most expensive best player lol...there wholly owned are just that owned...thus they dont bid or place an offer like a third party airline...if you think wholly owned gets first pick you are out of your mind...its all money and envoy operations are more expensive...note skywest pays for envoy rampers and agents etc.

dera

Yeah. So their 70 seat planes compete with our 40 or 44 or 76 seat flights. I'm sure that's exactly what happens.


Let's face it. No-one here has ANY idea who is the cheapest, or most expensive, of the regionals. You just make sh*t up to sound like you know who does what and why.

highfarfast

Just one more post where dera shows how little he really knows about Envoy’s overall operation.

dera

Thank you for this valuable contribution. The amount of information in your post is overwhelming.
(Yeah, the seat count was wrong, but the point still stands)

highfarfast

Envoy does pick last from the flight file. I don’t know how else you can explain why we have such lower average credit per day for a trip that most regionals have.

As to the rest, sounds like a lot of 175 bs to me. But that’s alright. EVERYONE gets 175 nowadays, right?

highfarfast

And my point does too.