Envoy 2019
06-05-2019, 08:00 AM
#1231
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
06-05-2019, 08:01 AM
#1232
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
Your complaints aren't relevant to the 175, painting the whole company under that brush is not accurate.
06-05-2019, 08:04 AM
#1233
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
That's a lot of contractual nuance for a newhire FO or a DEC to try to grapple with and I've never seen it done. Maybe a union email on the topic would be helpful. I'd also note that SCHEDULING is supposed to call dispatch, not First Officer Nosebleed.
[MENTION=54707]dera[/MENTION], how is it that you are making your pitch for Envoy and manage to compliment Sabre without talking about any of the actual good things about working here? Lol...
[MENTION=54707]dera[/MENTION], how is it that you are making your pitch for Envoy and manage to compliment Sabre without talking about any of the actual good things about working here? Lol...
I like our IT, I've also spent a bit of time to learn it. My QOL on reserve was much, much better when I knew how to use it.
Don't let CS run you. Know the contract and learn to play the game.
06-05-2019, 08:07 AM
#1234
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
And let me add a touch of reality to this one too:
The standby shifts are assigned in reverse seniority order. My first month on reserve, I did 5 days. This was pretty much the norm for everyone in our class. And when new pilots that started after you (likely in 2 weeks time) show up on the reserve list, then they start picking up those standby shifts. The more senior guys might, if they get unlucky, do one standby a month. This only happens on the very crappy days when they actually go through the reserve list and use everyone. Very rare. More often standby shifts are picked up by commuters wanting to make day 1 commutable. Also, you cannot be assigned a later standby shift on your last day (unless you are the last reserve available).
OSO (Off Schedule Operations) happens a couple of times a month. And again, the added standby shifts go to the most junior pilots available. Some OSO days they don't add standby shifts at all, it depends on the reserve coverage.
Day 1 is preassigned RAP1(starting at 4am). But you can still proffer for a later start. Other days are RAP2 unless you confirm something else. A lot of commuters tend to proffer for standby starting at noon making day 1 commutable. And since the standbys go junior, most of the time you will get it. When you're a bit more senior, you can just proffer RAP2 and will get it.
Our contract also has pretty good provisions for reserve guys commuting who want to keep flying as much as possible.
I've been released early from my last day of reserve every single time. If I had RAP2(RAP2 is 10AM to midnight), earliest I've been released was 3pm, and the latest was 6pm. Sometimes you get one of the less liked schedulers. If they refuse, wait 5 minutes and call again usually works.
Commuting to reserve sucks I'm sure, but there are lots of things you can do to make it slightly more tolerable.
Yes, sometimes you get served a sh*t sandwich and get called to sit airport standby for no apparent reason for 2 hours, or get called from home to taxi an airplane around for 30 minutes. But most of the time things go pretty smooth, even on reserve.
The standby shifts are assigned in reverse seniority order. My first month on reserve, I did 5 days. This was pretty much the norm for everyone in our class. And when new pilots that started after you (likely in 2 weeks time) show up on the reserve list, then they start picking up those standby shifts. The more senior guys might, if they get unlucky, do one standby a month. This only happens on the very crappy days when they actually go through the reserve list and use everyone. Very rare. More often standby shifts are picked up by commuters wanting to make day 1 commutable. Also, you cannot be assigned a later standby shift on your last day (unless you are the last reserve available).
OSO (Off Schedule Operations) happens a couple of times a month. And again, the added standby shifts go to the most junior pilots available. Some OSO days they don't add standby shifts at all, it depends on the reserve coverage.
Day 1 is preassigned RAP1(starting at 4am). But you can still proffer for a later start. Other days are RAP2 unless you confirm something else. A lot of commuters tend to proffer for standby starting at noon making day 1 commutable. And since the standbys go junior, most of the time you will get it. When you're a bit more senior, you can just proffer RAP2 and will get it.
Our contract also has pretty good provisions for reserve guys commuting who want to keep flying as much as possible.
I've been released early from my last day of reserve every single time. If I had RAP2(RAP2 is 10AM to midnight), earliest I've been released was 3pm, and the latest was 6pm. Sometimes you get one of the less liked schedulers. If they refuse, wait 5 minutes and call again usually works.
Commuting to reserve sucks I'm sure, but there are lots of things you can do to make it slightly more tolerable.
Yes, sometimes you get served a sh*t sandwich and get called to sit airport standby for no apparent reason for 2 hours, or get called from home to taxi an airplane around for 30 minutes. But most of the time things go pretty smooth, even on reserve.
Day 1- Pre assigned RAP1s don’t get notified of their assignments until 5pm CDT the day before. This means many commuters are forced to commute in the day prior because they don’t have two options after 5. Some even pack up drive towards the airport and then at 5 either continue to the airport or drive back home. Try getting in late the day before a RAP1 and then getting a 4 am call to fly 5 legs because someone banged out sick for a four day.
Last day - you ended up getting a RAP 2 because you finished late. Finally they call you at 6-7 pm and give you airport standby until 11 pm. Even on well staffed days this happens because guess what!!!! At 5pm RAPs are released from RAP if they have a next day reserve assignment. You went from being almost going home to on the cusp of a JM and this happens way too often.
Reserve rules are also so vague and ambiguous that you are better off bending over and doing what ever they ask so you don’t risk a MA.
Also we haven’t even got into the mid day rest on reserve. You really have no clue.
06-05-2019, 08:12 AM
#1235
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 687
There are good parts about this company yes, but I don't think they outweigh the negatives especially when you compare it to other regionals. Express, Endeavor, Republic, PSA, Skywest.
06-05-2019, 08:15 AM
#1236
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
Almost everything dera says is bs unfortunately. It's too bad because he's a prolific poster and could provide a balanced view but he's so busy blowing rainbow-colored smoke to try to offset what he (as a lazy 175 FO who lives in Dallas w/ no ability to put himself in somebody else's shoes) sees as unjustifiably negative "whining" from the rest of us. Ironically, if dera landed a CRJ slot he'd probably be complaining more frantically than the rest of us combined.
The real thing that saves this place is the people you work with. Everyone, with very rare exception, is cool. You don't have to look at your trips and wonder if CA Soandso is a sociopath. Skills and experience levels vary a lot, but I've gotten paired with a jerk for exactly 4 days in my time here and even this guy was starting to come around by the time we set the parking brake for the last time. I might get booed for saying this, but some of the schedulers have a heart too. Management is a different story, obviously.
The real thing that saves this place is the people you work with. Everyone, with very rare exception, is cool. You don't have to look at your trips and wonder if CA Soandso is a sociopath. Skills and experience levels vary a lot, but I've gotten paired with a jerk for exactly 4 days in my time here and even this guy was starting to come around by the time we set the parking brake for the last time. I might get booed for saying this, but some of the schedulers have a heart too. Management is a different story, obviously.
06-05-2019, 08:22 AM
#1237
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
Reality..... oh if you only knew. Your description of reserve is accurate only when it is well staffed. We all know staffing levels fluctuate in unpredictable patterns.
Day 1- Pre assigned RAP1s don’t get notified of their assignments until 5pm CDT the day before. This means many commuters are forced to commute in the day prior because they don’t have two options after 5. Some even pack up drive towards the airport and then at 5 either continue to the airport or drive back home. Try getting in late the day before a RAP1 and then getting a 4 am call to fly 5 legs because someone banged out sick for a four day.
Last day - you ended up getting a RAP 2 because you finished late. Finally they call you at 6-7 pm and give you airport standby until 11 pm. Even on well staffed days this happens because guess what!!!! At 5pm RAPs are released from RAP if they have a next day reserve assignment. You went from being almost going home to on the cusp of a JM and this happens way too often.
Reserve rules are also so vague and ambiguous that you are better off bending over and doing what ever they ask so you don’t risk a MA.
Also we haven’t even got into the mid day rest on reserve. You really have no clue.
Day 1- Pre assigned RAP1s don’t get notified of their assignments until 5pm CDT the day before. This means many commuters are forced to commute in the day prior because they don’t have two options after 5. Some even pack up drive towards the airport and then at 5 either continue to the airport or drive back home. Try getting in late the day before a RAP1 and then getting a 4 am call to fly 5 legs because someone banged out sick for a four day.
Last day - you ended up getting a RAP 2 because you finished late. Finally they call you at 6-7 pm and give you airport standby until 11 pm. Even on well staffed days this happens because guess what!!!! At 5pm RAPs are released from RAP if they have a next day reserve assignment. You went from being almost going home to on the cusp of a JM and this happens way too often.
Reserve rules are also so vague and ambiguous that you are better off bending over and doing what ever they ask so you don’t risk a MA.
Also we haven’t even got into the mid day rest on reserve. You really have no clue.
I don't know what your definition of "way too often" is, every single time I had RAP2 on my last day, I was released before 6pm. The RAP flips don't happen as often as you claim (which is why the RAPs would suddenly be released at 5pm).
The mid-day rest is a problem, it never happened to me, but that really needs to be fixed.
The whole example you have is stupid. If you have such limited commuting options to our bases, why the heck would you ever even consider working here? Go somewhere with an easier commute.
If your last flight is at 430 or whatever, chances are you won't have two flights in the morning either, so it wouldn't be a legal commute to any regional.
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