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07-01-2019, 07:07 PM

#871

CheckWheelsDown

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Joined APC: Mar 2019

Posts: 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houpilot2001

Any idea how many from each back ground? Cadet , RTP, street etc?

6 Cadets, 3 RTP

07-01-2019, 09:01 PM

#872

Tyrion

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Joined APC: Sep 2018

Position: Flying with my right hand again

Posts: 199

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Originally Posted by CheckWheelsDown

6 Cadets, 3 RTP

and 13 who don't read the APC Forums...

07-01-2019, 09:27 PM

#873

havick206

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Posts: 1,729

Quote:

Originally Posted by CheckWheelsDown

16 175 ord
6 145 ord

At least the company is sending all the 145 new hires to ORD just in time for the JFK ramp up in flying.

07-01-2019, 09:53 PM

#874

pitchattitude

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Posts: 2,510

Quote:

Originally Posted by havick206

At least the company is sending all the 145 new hires to ORD just in time for the JFK ramp up in flying.

Definitely going to be even more of a sucking sound in the Windy City as all those junior 145 pilots get sucked out of ORD and into NY.

Grab the lube, you’re about to be Envoyed.

07-02-2019, 04:48 AM

#875

ninerdriver

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Joined APC: Apr 2018

Posts: 2,522

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrion

and 13 who don't read the APC Forums...

That's what I was thinking. All of this, and they're still getting half of their hires off the street...

07-02-2019, 06:19 AM

#876

Inigo

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Joined APC: Jul 2019

Posts: 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninerdriver

That's what I was thinking. All of this, and they're still getting half of their hires off the street...

So this all went down on 6/15, or 17 days ago.

Two weeks notice at a job.
Potentially moving.
ATP-CTP, which is 7-8 days.

So they’re unemployed and already in or committed to CTP. Between the RTPs and the ATP-CTP courses they owe $170k+ combined if they renege. How is this confusing to you guys?

07-02-2019, 06:31 AM

#877

Cyio

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Posts: 3,793

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inigo

We have been warning people for far longer that 17 days. I think we started warning people way back in January when the company walked away from another AIP. We are now on our second one they didn't honor. Where exactly do you get 170K from? Seems pretty steep. You can grab an ATP/CTP from ATP for like $4500. You telling me the rest is for flight training? If so that is absurd and you have been ripped off big time.

At some point, people need to own their decisions to come here and own the consequences on the pilot group for doing just that.

07-02-2019, 06:31 AM

#878

moon

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Posts: 687

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inigo

The company is paying 170k+ to get a new hire??? The shortage is for sure here if that's the case.

07-02-2019, 07:12 AM

#879

Inigo

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Joined APC: Jul 2019

Posts: 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by moon

The company is paying 170k+ to get a new hire??? The shortage is for sure here if that's the case.

Not *per* new hire, but CTP is a $5k note per FO who needs it. RTPs and Cadets all have other commitments for the money they received.

So they owe at least $5k each.

07-02-2019, 07:13 AM

#880

ninerdriver

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Joined APC: Apr 2018

Posts: 2,522

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inigo

Like others have said, Envoy has been at or near the bottom in almost every category for several months now. Envoy has still managed to get people in the door with crappy pay and crappy QOL.

I understand why RTPs would apply. Cadets? For SJS and a quick couple of thousand bucks, sure. Why folks would apply off the street to Envoy in the past six months, though, is beyond me. Sorry.