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06-03-2019, 03:22 PM
#821
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
If we can strike, then we wouldn't waste the time trying to convince these flow-chasing applicants to stop showing up for mediocre pay.
Convincing new hires to not come here is the only weapon we've got, but that may also lead the company to stop the flow due to "operational needs." So, it's not an optimal solution either.
I think ALPA needs to push to revise the labor contracts/laws to allow us to strike again. Dont know why that is not thier priority.
Also, flow is not guaranteed after the Protected Pilots, so there is risk in relying on flow. The company can deny your flow in the future, but somehow, that is not coming across to these new hires.
Regardless, being able to strike would put fear back in management, and us being taken seriously.
Convincing new hires to not come here is the only weapon we've got, but that may also lead the company to stop the flow due to "operational needs." So, it's not an optimal solution either.
I think ALPA needs to push to revise the labor contracts/laws to allow us to strike again. Dont know why that is not thier priority.
Also, flow is not guaranteed after the Protected Pilots, so there is risk in relying on flow. The company can deny your flow in the future, but somehow, that is not coming across to these new hires.
Regardless, being able to strike would put fear back in management, and us being taken seriously.
You can't just go on a strike because you feel like it.
06-04-2019, 06:01 AM
#825
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Position: Pipers!
Posts: 397
It's Funny. Lots of opinions from people who have been on APC 2 months or less, some 2 days, with 1 post and yet have valuable insight on issues that have been building over a decade.
I appreciate the humor.
I appreciate the humor.
06-04-2019, 07:06 AM
#827
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2019
Posts: 48
I have not started at a regional yet. I have 3 class dates, just need to decide which one to show up to. Envoy was my original choice, and is still one of my 3 options. The thing is, I read all the regional threads, and every one of them has current employees trying to talk new people out of coming to them. All of them have complaints about QOL, pay, reserve, upgrades, exc. I don't doubt that what you all have been saying is legit, but the grass isn't much greener anywhere else. Envoy is a legit option. Might be the best one, might be the worst one, but they all beat where I'm at now.
06-04-2019, 07:20 AM
#828
Porco Rosso
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,522
I have not started at a regional yet. I have 3 class dates, just need to decide which one to show up to. Envoy was my original choice, and is still one of my 3 options. The thing is, I read all the regional threads, and every one of them has current employees trying to talk new people out of coming to them. All of them have complaints about QOL, pay, reserve, upgrades, exc. I don't doubt that what you all have been saying is legit, but the grass isn't much greener anywhere else. Envoy is a legit option. Might be the best one, might be the worst one, but they all beat where I'm at now.
06-04-2019, 09:36 AM
#829
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Position: Pipers!
Posts: 397
[QUOTE=JustAsking;2831263]I have not started at a regional yet. I have 3 class dates, just need to decide which one to show up to. Envoy was my original choice, and is still one of my 3 options. The thing is, I read all the regional threads, and every one of them has current employees trying to talk new people out of coming to them. All of them have complaints about QOL, pay, reserve, upgrades, exc. I don't doubt that what you all have been saying is legit, but the grass isn't much greener anywhere else. Envoy is a legit option. [B]Might be the best one, might be the worst one, but they all beat where I'm at now.[QUOTE]
I can appreciate this statement (any regional is better than a lot of tough 135 outfits), that being said, pick one that has something that matters to you most. Domicile, Pay, QOL, Training, movement are all key contenders to consider, and it appears you are doing your due diligence. Good on you for that, what most are saying is at this time, Envoy does not have enough of these bullet points that it should be at the top of any list. Everyone wants you to pick the best airline the first time for you, so that you can avoid a lateral move (which is a step back) in the future. For example, XJT has been known to have an excellent training program, but other areas lacking, thus not a good choice in the past. Given recent changes, XJT could be an excellent choice now. 5 years ago, Envoy was an excellent choice after pay raises, and the influx of people proves that. Today it is not. I get that a lot of this stuff comes across as crass, but many of these guys (and gals) have been living it long enough to have a very valid perspective that they care enough to share with others. Just my thoughts, good luck on your choice.
I can appreciate this statement (any regional is better than a lot of tough 135 outfits), that being said, pick one that has something that matters to you most. Domicile, Pay, QOL, Training, movement are all key contenders to consider, and it appears you are doing your due diligence. Good on you for that, what most are saying is at this time, Envoy does not have enough of these bullet points that it should be at the top of any list. Everyone wants you to pick the best airline the first time for you, so that you can avoid a lateral move (which is a step back) in the future. For example, XJT has been known to have an excellent training program, but other areas lacking, thus not a good choice in the past. Given recent changes, XJT could be an excellent choice now. 5 years ago, Envoy was an excellent choice after pay raises, and the influx of people proves that. Today it is not. I get that a lot of this stuff comes across as crass, but many of these guys (and gals) have been living it long enough to have a very valid perspective that they care enough to share with others. Just my thoughts, good luck on your choice.
06-04-2019, 10:05 AM
#830
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
you are obviously not following this particular situation and just throwing in canned things that are supposed to upset pilots in the midst of negotiations
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