NoValueAviator

You aren’t doing much to soften my approach to your type.

Quitting a regional with over a year sunk into the seniority list and a permanent bullet point on your resume is a much bigger decision than going to the right regional in the first place. You know this, and yet you still suggest others get off your seniority list so your 1.5 mos of reserve on the 175 can go down to a week or whatever. Guess what dude, not everyone lives with their parents. Some of us want the industry-leading pay we were promised, and some of us need it.

People do read these posts. In a pilot group of just over 2000, this thread has 142k views. I’ve had people repeat stuff I posted months ago to my face in person. Is it the best way to reach out to the dummies showing up to class? Maybe not, but it’s free and relatively anonymous and does have some impact.

I really want to be your friend but your tone-deaf characterizations of everything we say as “whining by older pilots” just makes me want to upgrade and write you up for your Cut Above shirts.

buddies8

Trolling are we

Tellheritwasntu

I heard SkyWest will count previous years of 121 experience to their pay scale, up to 10 years I think, that sounds like a decent lateral move. Go there!

JustAsking

Not really, just go back and read what you guys are posting. Pretty much every post is blaming others for your problems and frankly, it does not inspire any confidence whenever you guys do get around to trying to say something valid. Envoy is just one regional I have an offer from... thanks to some of you, I went out and got offers from 3 others. I don't fly the 175, don't live in my parents basement, and don't wish any of you bad luck... but truthfully, I don't see many people avoiding envoy when those of you already here are not willing to leave. I'm also far from an expert in unions, but if all of the pilot group only sticks around temporarily (until they can leave) its no wonder your union isn't worried too much about what you have to say. They can just wait you out so they really don't have much incentive to play hardball with the company. My whole point was that every two weeks a group of you post predictions of nobody showing up, and then 20+ pilots show up.

pitchattitude

That does help the pay issue, but doesn’t help the ACTUAL lost seniority, nor the lost flight time of the transition to a new company. And I don’t know how quickly one can upgrade at SKW even with the time.

If I had to do it all over again, I absolutely would have chosen SkyWest, Mesa or even TSA over Envoy, because in the end, I ended up moving. Something I really hadn’t anticipated doing, but sometimes life changes as well. If I was still commuting would Envoy have been my number one, based on where I was living, again, still no.

Again, once an individual has more than a year or so, the opportunity cost for a lateral change is huge.

MochaSwirl

Trolling shall we not

rld1k

iF yOu DoNt LiKe It MaKe Ur OwN aIrLiNe

Cyio

So a couple of counter points. Most of the people on here are not old lifers like you seem to believe. So right off the bat you are wrong.

Second, this website receives far more attention than you or the company want people to believe. Much like novalueaviator mentioned, I have, within minutes at times, had things repeated to me that have been poster here. Far more people read than post, I will give you that. You are dead wrong however about people not reading it.

Third, just picking up and leaving a company that you have seniority with isn't simply a wake up one morning and go kind of thing. You are giving up QOL, vacation, seniority, bidding status etc, not to mention exposing yourself to another set of training events.

Fourth, you say people don't listen and read these forums and yet you go on to say in another post that thanks to us, you are looking elsewhere, so apparently it does work and reaches some people.

I am not saying we reach them all, but if we stop even one person from making the mistake of coming here, well it was all worth it. Envoy "could" be thee premier place to work for, sadly they choose not to go that route.

Congrats to you for picking a different home.

pitchattitude

Re-read his post. He said he doesn’t fly the 175. I think he still came here. None of his other posts indicate he actually did anything with the other offers.

Toolbox9909

If we can strike, then we wouldn't waste the time trying to convince these flow-chasing applicants to stop showing up for mediocre pay.

Convincing new hires to not come here is the only weapon we've got, but that may also lead the company to stop the flow due to "operational needs." So, it's not an optimal solution either.

I think ALPA needs to push to revise the labor contracts/laws to allow us to strike again. Dont know why that is not thier priority.

Also, flow is not guaranteed after the Protected Pilots, so there is risk in relying on flow. The company can deny your flow in the future, but somehow, that is not coming across to these new hires.

Regardless, being able to strike would put fear back in management, and us being taken seriously.