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09-14-2018, 06:12 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,510
Well...a wave a new 175s is starting to roll in beginning this November. 25 planes on order if I remember correctly. At roughly 20 pilots needed for each plane, that's 500 pilots required. And considering that we're losing 29 pilots/month to flow alone throughout next year, things are gonna get very tight next year. We may not be feeling it too badly right now, but it's no doubt coming.
And then there are all those that want to wish the 20 175s that Compass has onto our certificate.
I know there is a glut of 145 FOs, but the number of 145s is not supposed to change in the next year plus. They have to start hiring into them again, soon. There is a big bubble of only 175 FOs from two years ago that is the largest number of upgrades, but that can’t last more than another bid or so.
09-14-2018, 06:23 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Oct 2007
Posts: 194
Well...a wave a new 175s is starting to roll in beginning this November. 25 planes on order if I remember correctly. At roughly 20 pilots needed for each plane, that's 500 pilots required. And considering that we're losing 29 pilots/month to flow alone throughout next year, things are gonna get very tight next year. We may not be feeling it too badly right now, but it's no doubt coming.
09-15-2018, 03:14 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 101
Well...a wave a new 175s is starting to roll in beginning this November. 25 planes on order if I remember correctly. At roughly 20 pilots needed for each plane, that's 500 pilots required. And considering that we're losing 29 pilots/month to flow alone throughout next year, things are gonna get very tight next year. We may not be feeling it too badly right now, but it's no doubt coming.
09-15-2018, 04:34 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,523
I would be more willing to believe that if they had been offering more 175 captain spots and stocking up on that side but they aren’t. Plus we are supposed to lose the CRJs, slowly albeit but that still frees up some pilots. And wasn’t this summer supposed to be a disaster? I never saw any staffing crunch. Not even close. Again, it just doesn’t add up for me. I think there’s something in the pipeline coming this way.
09-15-2018, 10:03 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Pawn
Posts: 1,138
I would be more willing to believe that if they had been offering more 175 captain spots and stocking up on that side but they aren’t. Plus we are supposed to lose the CRJs, slowly albeit but that still frees up some pilots. And wasn’t this summer supposed to be a disaster? I never saw any staffing crunch. Not even close. Again, it just doesn’t add up for me. I think there’s something in the pipeline coming this way.
Envoy told the mothership in May that we couldn't crew the elevated level of flying for the summer (remember when they were threatening to cancel captains vacations) and then the situation worked itself out. The 145 staffing has stabalized. Look at ORD and the increase in lines and value. Skywest pulling the 200's out to go back to ASA who will fly them for UA has created more opportunities for flying.
09-15-2018, 10:43 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,510
I would be more willing to believe that if they had been offering more 175 captain spots and stocking up on that side but they aren’t. Plus we are supposed to lose the CRJs, slowly albeit but that still frees up some pilots. And wasn’t this summer supposed to be a disaster? I never saw any staffing crunch. Not even close. Again, it just doesn’t add up for me. I think there’s something in the pipeline coming this way.
09-16-2018, 11:54 PM
#39
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
09-17-2018, 05:24 AM
#40
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 147
They havent hired into the CRJ for at least 5 months now. No movement. Any small movement from FOs upgrading is offset by monthly reduction of lines. FO indefinite seat lock means you will be on reserve until they’re projected to be gone at the start of 2020. The best aircraft in the fleet is the worst for your career.
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