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12-21-2018, 03:02 PM
#271
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 579
Remember next time To have a union representation with you when talk the chief pilots.
12-22-2018, 08:58 PM
#272
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 128
Post it and say which CPO you got it from. There is not a handout that says if you call in sick more than 4 days you get step letters.
Also the policy has shifted from just sick calls to also number of days, as the previous poster was lamenting. If you call in sick for 4 4 day trips, it’s worse than 4 individual 1 day calls.
Also the policy has shifted from just sick calls to also number of days, as the previous poster was lamenting. If you call in sick for 4 4 day trips, it’s worse than 4 individual 1 day calls.
If you go to the envoy website—> flight—> flight ops line—>there is a link under the references for the ORD new hire base day. Talks about sick expectations. Total BS and funny how it’s the only base that seems to take sick calls so seriously. I don’t blame people for being afraid to call out sick on probation if they’re ORD based after reading that. “While on probation, expect to be called in for every occurrence.” GMAFB....because probationary pilots get sick more than non-probationary? Obviously some people abuse the system but any competent management would deal with that on a case by case basis instead of trying to instill a punitive culture on everyone for calling out sick.
12-22-2018, 09:50 PM
#273
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,793
If you go to the envoy website—> flight—> flight ops line—>there is a link under the references for the ORD new hire base day. Talks about sick expectations. Total BS and funny how it’s the only base that seems to take sick calls so seriously. I don’t blame people for being afraid to call out sick on probation if they’re ORD based after reading that. “While on probation, expect to be called in for every occurrence.” GMAFB....because probationary pilots get sick more than non-probationary? Obviously some people abuse the system but any competent management would deal with that on a case by case basis instead of trying to instill a punitive culture on everyone for calling out sick.
12-22-2018, 09:54 PM
#274
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 128
I wonder when that was written? It may be a “Denise” special as she was know for having a vindictive personality. Anyway, it is what it is. Don’t abuse the policy and everything will fine. If you get called in, just ask them what they think the FAA would think and leave it at that.
Agreed, it shouldn’t be a problem for 95% of the pilot group.
12-22-2018, 10:32 PM
#275
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,523
If you go to the envoy website—> flight—> flight ops line—>there is a link under the references for the ORD new hire base day. Talks about sick expectations. Total BS and funny how it’s the only base that seems to take sick calls so seriously. I don’t blame people for being afraid to call out sick on probation if they’re ORD based after reading that. “While on probation, expect to be called in for every occurrence.” GMAFB....because probationary pilots get sick more than non-probationary? Obviously some people abuse the system but any competent management would deal with that on a case by case basis instead of trying to instill a punitive culture on everyone for calling out sick.
And by the way, there was an arbitration awhile back that ruled in the pilot group's favor that there cannot be an arbitrary number of sick calls that results in disciplinary action from the company. If you feel like this is happening, contact your rep.
Last edited by bigtime209; 12-22-2018 at 10:52 PM.
12-23-2018, 03:54 AM
#276
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 687
If you go to the envoy website—> flight—> flight ops line—>there is a link under the references for the ORD new hire base day. Talks about sick expectations. Total BS and funny how it’s the only base that seems to take sick calls so seriously. I don’t blame people for being afraid to call out sick on probation if they’re ORD based after reading that. “While on probation, expect to be called in for every occurrence.” GMAFB....because probationary pilots get sick more than non-probationary? Obviously some people abuse the system but any competent management would deal with that on a case by case basis instead of trying to instill a punitive culture on everyone for calling out sick.
12-23-2018, 06:58 AM
#277
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
Nieder rolled into my indoc class and said outright that if you have more than a couple sick calls in your first year, "don't expect to make it off probation, because attendance never improves in the second year." The toxic approach to sick calls is not exactly a big secret here.
12-23-2018, 07:47 AM
#278
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,793
Nieder rolled into my indoc class and said outright that if you have more than a couple sick calls in your first year, "don't expect to make it off probation, because attendance never improves in the second year." The toxic approach to sick calls is not exactly a big secret here.
12-23-2018, 11:28 AM
#279
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 609
What is the likelihood of largely ERJ-175 classes in January? They’re so overstaffed on the 145 and 700, coupled with the FO seatlock policy + new jets inbound, I would think we might see all 175 classes ... but that’s pure speculation.
12-23-2018, 11:38 AM
#280
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
I bet it's 2 100% 175 and 1 mixed fleet class. I doubt there will be any CRJ slots apart from OCC.
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