Pedro4President

Also you are gaurenteed access to Envoy HQ for CBTs. You can stay there as late as midnight if I recall. You just have to coordinate it with HQ.

dera

Our class hotels were extended as default for the CBTs. If you didn't need it, you had to tell them.

use2fly

The difference is those other people can take medicine for their symptoms.

moon

They also don't get disciplined for using 6 days of sick time a day at a time through a rolling calendar year.

Cyio

If I am reading this correctly, you are saying that if you use 6 total days of sick time you will get punished here. If that is what you are saying, you are incorrect.

Typically, the company understands people get sick and encourages you to call in. Each of these sick calls can call off an entire trip worth four days, equalling 12 days of sick time if you use them all. Heck even your fourth sick call just gets you questioned about what is going on.

I am not saying it should be abused, nor am I saying it is the best system, but it is far from punitive if you use them as needed for real illness. Anything needed about that amount may qualify you for FMLA and that is another topic altogether.

One thing that does irritate me however is that our system encourages you to miss more work than is always needed. For example, sometimes you just have a stomach malady and need a day off work so as to not destroy the flight deck, however, with our system, a call off counts as a sick call regardless of how many days you use. This leads to short term illness causing a full trip drop, because hey, if I am going to get nailed with a sick call I might as well make the best of it.

So while I agree it needs work, it certainly isn't a call to the CP office just because you get sick a few times a year.

moon

Are you sure about that. Pretty sure I remember from the handout I was given by the CP office at 4 you get coach and counsel and beyond that you get step advisories. Which if you want to flow are a bit of a hindrance.

HobGoblin

Post it and say which CPO you got it from. There is not a handout that says if you call in sick more than 4 days you get step letters.


Also the policy has shifted from just sick calls to also number of days, as the previous poster was lamenting. If you call in sick for 4 4 day trips, it’s worse than 4 individual 1 day calls.

moon

There was when I came through the CPO after my first sick call years ago. I don't save stuff like that but it existed. Denise handed it to me. I believe Eric was chief at the time.

If it's shifted then it's shifted, but going off what I was told I wouldn't go tempting fate with more than 3 sick calls.

Cyio

Denise doesn’t work here anymore. Clearly for more reasons than one.

AeroEnvoy

I got called in to the CPO after my fourth sick call in 12 months. It didn't seem punitive, the CP only asked me if I required FMLA and that the meeting was just a formality. This was in ORD btw.