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12-06-2018, 04:28 PM
#251
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That’s a pretty dangerous game for them to play though. I mean you are correct but I would be surprised if they used it in all but the most grievous cases.
I mean think about it. They tell a guy he can’t flow because his kids got sick a couple too many times his last year here and now you expect him to provide top notch service?
Nah, not going to happen. The company wants us to flow, it’s in their best interest in all aspects. Keeps pay down, helps recruitment, keeps the pilot group junior and easier to control etc. just because they don’t flow at the rate we think they should doesn’t mean they don’t want us to flow.
I mean think about it. They tell a guy he can’t flow because his kids got sick a couple too many times his last year here and now you expect him to provide top notch service?
Nah, not going to happen. The company wants us to flow, it’s in their best interest in all aspects. Keeps pay down, helps recruitment, keeps the pilot group junior and easier to control etc. just because they don’t flow at the rate we think they should doesn’t mean they don’t want us to flow.
12-07-2018, 03:03 AM
#252
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12-07-2018, 03:41 AM
#253
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It would just hurt the moral of the whole pilot group if they started doing this as it would shed huge doubt for all the pilots on if they could flow or not. Plus, it opens up the door to huge safety and regulatory issues in that pilots may be less likely to call off sick, fatigued or FMLA due to fear that at any moment, they could lose the flow. This could lead to accidents, delays, training failures, potential lawsuits etc.
I totally understand it is in their power to do so, I just dont see any upside to them doing it other than to punish grievous abusers of the system.
12-07-2018, 03:53 AM
#254
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Yeah exactly, like I said in some obvious cases of misuse or abuse, I can see them doing this, but to the average pilot here that works when they can and calls off a normal amount of sick calls, this shouldn't be an issue.
It would just hurt the moral of the whole pilot group if they started doing this as it would shed huge doubt for all the pilots on if they could flow or not. Plus, it opens up the door to huge safety and regulatory issues in that pilots may be less likely to call off sick, fatigued or FMLA due to fear that at any moment, they could lose the flow. This could lead to accidents, delays, training failures, potential lawsuits etc.
I totally understand it is in their power to do so, I just dont see any upside to them doing it other than to punish grievous abusers of the system.
It would just hurt the moral of the whole pilot group if they started doing this as it would shed huge doubt for all the pilots on if they could flow or not. Plus, it opens up the door to huge safety and regulatory issues in that pilots may be less likely to call off sick, fatigued or FMLA due to fear that at any moment, they could lose the flow. This could lead to accidents, delays, training failures, potential lawsuits etc.
I totally understand it is in their power to do so, I just dont see any upside to them doing it other than to punish grievous abusers of the system.
Couldn’t agree more. In fact I didn’t even think about how guys not calling in sick in fear of losing the flow of how dangerous that could be even in itself, that would totally push pilots to their limits and if you get a CA and a FO doing that... those are ingredients for disaster
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12-07-2018, 04:20 AM
#255
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Lots of guys fly sick here.
Whoever decided pilots shouldn't get sick as often as the rest of the world wasn't thinking about commuters, who are locked in a metal tube for 4+ hours every couple days with people with extreme cases of highly infectious diseases.
Whoever decided pilots shouldn't get sick as often as the rest of the world wasn't thinking about commuters, who are locked in a metal tube for 4+ hours every couple days with people with extreme cases of highly infectious diseases.
12-08-2018, 09:41 AM
#256
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I mean we do get like 3-4 call offs a year before anyone starts to take notice and you can miss a lot of work with each one. I get it, people get sick, some more than others, but there has to be some checks and balance otherwise people wouldn't ever show up.
I am NOT a company guy by any means, but I do try and see things from a point relative objectivity and common sense.
12-16-2018, 01:35 PM
#258
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12-19-2018, 07:26 AM
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