NoValueAviator

If they do displace, guys will be going from year 2 of reserve to 18 days off in Dallas in the summer.

Pedro4President

When the CRJ leave a displacement has to happen. No away around it. It has to happen. There's no way to get around it. The union and company cant agree on anything that would change the fact that CRJ pilots will get displaced. They will be able to hold what they can per their seniority. The only question is how will the company issue the accompanying vacancy.

It happened when the Saab, ATR left and it happens when a base closes. It's going to happen.

The Company could possibly offer more money to displaced pilots to those that bid to stay in the same equipment to cut down on training cycles.

Cyio

Ok fair enough in regards to displacements happening but I have a feeling that the senior Captains are mostly flowing or switching to another fleet prior to the closing of the fleet. That leaves us the DEC captains they are placing, which should they get displaced will not effect many as they are not senior enough. Most likely end up on something in LGA.

This leaves the senior FO’s, again most I think are smart enough to proffer into something else and get off that system altogether. Hopefully the company won’t place new FO’s on the CRJ anymore and that problem slowly takes care of itself.

So to sum up, if displacements do occur I think they will be minor in terms of impacting all but the DEC’s.

pitchattitude

As Pedro says, there will come a time for displacements as the CRJ winds down, but it is not going to be as drastic as everyone thinks.

First, except the first three, the most senior FOs on the CRJ have only been at Envoy for less than two years and several that started with zero time towards captain are already upgrading, so they are spending less time NOT flying than say, a DFW 145 FO. And their relative seniority is better than anyone in DFW, 145 or 175 and ORD 175. Coming off the CRJ is not going to give any FO a Golden Ticket. They will lose relative seniority or at best stay the same.

Second, when it does finally happen, the fleet will be down to so few with such a small staff, there won’t be a huge number to displace off of it. Envoy is paying now through continual replacements on the CRJ, but by slowly drawing the fleet down it will actually help out in the end.

pitchattitude

So yes, if you come to Envoy as a DEC, life will continue to suck.

NoValueAviator

On the DEC front, many have gotten lines this month OCE.

in2deep

Don’t kid yourself.

They’re going to over staff the thing just like every other fleet.

Voski

From Envoy Pilot Recruiting’s Facebook page today:

“#OfficeViews In the coming months, Envoy will begin nearly doubling its Embraer 175 fleet from 44 to 84 aircraft! Pilots, that means more seats, more classes, more opportunity for you to begin your airline career. Apply today! envoyair.com/pilots”

I guess that’s confirmation of more classes starting in January.

pitchattitude

They also say $38 an hour is industry leading. Doesn’t make it true.

Yes, I’m sure we will have more classes in January. More than twice a week, I doubt it. The training fairy’s wand hasn’t produced any more instructors or sims. Will they ramp up, sure, but don’t expect a magical doubling any time soon.

dera

Your source was pretty accurate