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04-08-2022, 03:34 PM
#2192
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04-08-2022, 03:46 PM
#2193
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What was the issue with RPA losing the MIA flying back to Envoy? IIRC it was something about their planes and being able to fly over water? Is RPA even able to handle more flying anyway, seems like every regional is losing pilots at rate greater than it can replace them.
04-09-2022, 04:47 AM
#2194
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As for our 170s, they are indeed EOW certified and I’m guessing most if not all of the 175s will be too.
Speaking of which, AA signed a lease on another 170, which I believe makes 9 for Envoy. MSN 17000024, former Aeromexico and LOT.
04-09-2022, 05:08 AM
#2195
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This is why YX lost their MIA base. It makes more sense for them to be at hubs with DL/UA presence and not MIA. They might do fly-through like they do in CLT, but like CLT I doubt it will be a base again.
As for our 170s, they are indeed EOW certified and I’m guessing most if not all of the 175s will be too.
Speaking of which, AA signed a lease on another 170, which I believe makes 9 for Envoy. MSN 17000024, former Aeromexico and LOT.
As for our 170s, they are indeed EOW certified and I’m guessing most if not all of the 175s will be too.
Speaking of which, AA signed a lease on another 170, which I believe makes 9 for Envoy. MSN 17000024, former Aeromexico and LOT.
What do you consider a “presence” for a carrier? RPA has a bunch of domiciles that are not hubs, as does SKW. Do those non hub locations have a presence from other carriers? I’m pretty sure that DL and UA fly into MIA and CLT which would mean the have presence there. At least as much so than many of the locations they use as domiciles that are not hubs for any carrier.
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04-09-2022, 09:12 AM
#2196
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Initially Envoy was given a choice between Canadian flying and Caribbean and chose Canada. There was an initial reluctance to have the Envoy 175s EOW certified. It was a dollar consideration, both the initial act and continued cost of equipping and maintaining the life vests as well as the slight weight penalty. The Envoy planes are nearly all EOW equipped after initially just doing 20. I don’t think the 170s have the EOW equipment, but those planes were intended to fly out of ORD. The move of RPA out of MIA was just another shell game of regional flying by AAG. RPA’s presence has increased at ORD and in the NE. Envoy lost NY and was beefed up in MIA.
You are right, nobody can really afford to take on MORE flying. It will be a matter of who shrinks the least and where their flying remains.
But as I said, as things shrink, you can expect to see changes. It’s my bet that closing MIA as an Envoy base would be likely if it were to lose all the 145s without a considerable amount of 170/175s to replace them and their flying. While that has always been the desire, a significant number of additional 175s isn’t something that appears to be happening anytime soon.
You are right, nobody can really afford to take on MORE flying. It will be a matter of who shrinks the least and where their flying remains.
But as I said, as things shrink, you can expect to see changes. It’s my bet that closing MIA as an Envoy base would be likely if it were to lose all the 145s without a considerable amount of 170/175s to replace them and their flying. While that has always been the desire, a significant number of additional 175s isn’t something that appears to be happening anytime soon.
04-09-2022, 09:19 AM
#2197
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Was this in the 2019 time frame? I seem to remember seeing maybe one or two DL E175s at MIA, but they were rare, and RPA was operating them for AA, Envoy had just brought the base back with only the 145 a year or two earlier. Then maybe late 2019 or early 2020 before covid, RPA left and the Envoy E145s in MIA got replaced by the Envoy E175s.
04-09-2022, 09:22 AM
#2198
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Sorry for the side track -
If assigned the 175, how long is reserve at each base and once you have a line are they built to be commutable at all? I guess commutability can be ruined either way when they assign additional flying.
If assigned the 175, how long is reserve at each base and once you have a line are they built to be commutable at all? I guess commutability can be ruined either way when they assign additional flying.
04-09-2022, 12:05 PM
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Commuting to reserve is a special kind of he11. Most reserve lines are five on two off with a four on and three off in there someplace. Depending WHERE you are commuting to and from determines how commutable anything is. There are ways to push your first day late and slowly work to an early last day. But depends how the crew schedulers are and what flights you get tagged with.
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