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11-26-2018, 05:51 PM

#201

Cyio

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Originally Posted by havick206

Last vacancy bid some of the DEC’s that prvoilsy held MIA were bumped out by senior pilots being displaced to CA.

An event that is very likely to repeat itself system wide for awhile.

11-26-2018, 06:04 PM

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havick206

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Originally Posted by Cyio

An event that is very likely to repeat itself system wide for awhile.

That’s my point. There’s some good things here at Envoy, and also depending on your timing bad experiences. Pay rates aside.

11-26-2018, 06:15 PM

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Standbyone

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Makes sense, I’ll try not to get my hopes up when I get my base or line, I’m sure I’ll keep getting knocked right back for the first two years or more years till all the FO’s pass me.

11-26-2018, 07:04 PM

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highfarfast

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Originally Posted by Standbyone

Makes sense, I’ll try not to get my hopes up when I get my base or line, I’m sure I’ll keep getting knocked right back for the first two years or more years till all the FO’s pass me.

As hard as I’ve been on the rosie story line for the DECs, I do think the displaced out of base thing due to forced FO upgrades is close to ending. That’ll only continue while they are displacing FOs to captain. At some point they’ll no longer need to displace and FOs will have to vacancny bid. When that happens, you’ll be able to hold on to your base once you get it.

The LOA that allows the company to give flying to FOs on reserve expires end of Feb. I think that’s as good a mark as any for when the company thinks that forced upgrades will be necessary. Of course that came out last summer and they’re notorously bad at staff planning so take that for what it’s worth.

That’s not to say you’ll get MIA anytime soon (may still be a couple years out). Just that once you do, I think you’ll keep it.

11-27-2018, 07:13 AM

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NoValueAviator

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I do think MIA will be easier to hold in the future on the CA side. Tons of senior FO's in MIA are commuting in from SJU and just want QOL.

11-27-2018, 10:12 AM

#206

havick206

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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator

I do think MIA will be easier to hold in the future on the CA side. Tons of senior FO's in MIA are commuting in from SJU and just want QOL.

Don’t know about that. Quite a few CA lineholder at other bases waiting until they can solidly hold a line in Mia then bid there

11-27-2018, 10:29 AM

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SilentLurker

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I do think MIA will be easier to hold in the future on the CA side. Tons of senior FO's in MIA are commuting in from SJU and just want QOL.

This.... Many FOs from 2016/2017 are taking the E175 upgrade even if they live in FL verses the E145 MIA base. Same for some SJU folks. Silly, It is, but QOL on equipment vs base is a factor for some. They have to commute in the day prior regardless on CA RSV.
[MENTION=84220]Standbyone[/MENTION] I think there will be opportunities for DECs to find their way to MIA eventually, even sooner rather than later. I’ve seen guys on paper take an upgrade displacement to MCE, but then leave MCE for OCL/DCL, even DCE. This industry is always changing, consume all recommendations on here with caution, even the one I’m giving you. What appears true today, could change in about 3months. Then you will either look back wishing you did, wishing you didn’t, or just indifferent about your choice.

11-27-2018, 12:08 PM

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Standbyone

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All the information has been very helpful and I definitely agree with the last post. I started my career just months before 9/11, continued through the financial meltdown and finally through a regional meltdown and a divorce. I’ll let you know if it was the right decision when I retire! Thanks again for all the info.