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06-17-2021, 06:33 PM
#1451
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Tell your buddy when he reinterviews to still study the gouge on aviation interviews. For me the interview was quicker. Basically what does this symbol mean on the star. When do we need a second alternate etc… couple TMAAT ?’s “why do you still want to work here?” Be warned I’m still waiting for them to complete my background check again. Sounds like it’s averaging about 30days.
When I was there at the HQ, hiring plan was to get furloughed pilots retrained. Then it was the 120 cadets who already have their minimums. Although now it sounds like their combining the cadets with furloughed pilots in classes now.
People like me who had a plain old CJO can expect to get a class date late Q3 or Q4. We shall see.
Does anyone know if they scheduled all the cadets with hours yet for training?
When I was there at the HQ, hiring plan was to get furloughed pilots retrained. Then it was the 120 cadets who already have their minimums. Although now it sounds like their combining the cadets with furloughed pilots in classes now.
People like me who had a plain old CJO can expect to get a class date late Q3 or Q4. We shall see.
Does anyone know if they scheduled all the cadets with hours yet for training?
06-22-2021, 06:35 AM
#1452
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the vendors that will survive the shortage are Republic/Skywest/Mesa. The rest will eventually downsize as they can’t staff, displace CA’s to the right seat, lose contracts as cancellation performance worsens... then their pilots get to recycle themselves as new hires elsewhere at the surviving but still contracting regionals, or go to a WO. The mainlines will increase flow and pay to keep the planes moving.
I’d do Endeavor first if you live in one of their bases. The AA regionals are all similar. Living in base is the single biggest QOL factor.
its going to get worse. LCC’s are already working on programs targeting the exact pilots the regionals historically have. Frontier now has a program taking Embry Riddle grads straight from Cessnas to A320’s bypassing the regionals altogether. This type of hiring will become more prevalent,
06-22-2021, 03:49 PM
#1453
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focus on the WO’s. As the shortage worsens the contract companies can only raise pay so much for so long before they’re bankrupt. The WO’s are run as cost centers and exist to feed the mainline. They can run the WO at a loss as long as it’s bringing in revenue mainline connections. Unlike vendors the WO have no need to generate a profit, and generally speaking no shareholders to answer to.
the vendors that will survive the shortage are Republic/Skywest/Mesa. The rest will eventually downsize as they can’t staff, displace CA’s to the right seat, lose contracts as cancellation performance worsens... then their pilots get to recycle themselves as new hires elsewhere at the surviving but still contracting regionals, or go to a WO. The mainlines will increase flow and pay to keep the planes moving.
I’d do Endeavor first if you live in one of their bases. The AA regionals are all similar. Living in base is the single biggest QOL factor.
its going to get worse. LCC’s are already working on programs targeting the exact pilots the regionals historically have. Frontier now has a program taking Embry Riddle grads straight from Cessnas to A320’s bypassing the regionals altogether. This type of hiring will become more prevalent,
the vendors that will survive the shortage are Republic/Skywest/Mesa. The rest will eventually downsize as they can’t staff, displace CA’s to the right seat, lose contracts as cancellation performance worsens... then their pilots get to recycle themselves as new hires elsewhere at the surviving but still contracting regionals, or go to a WO. The mainlines will increase flow and pay to keep the planes moving.
I’d do Endeavor first if you live in one of their bases. The AA regionals are all similar. Living in base is the single biggest QOL factor.
its going to get worse. LCC’s are already working on programs targeting the exact pilots the regionals historically have. Frontier now has a program taking Embry Riddle grads straight from Cessnas to A320’s bypassing the regionals altogether. This type of hiring will become more prevalent,
06-23-2021, 12:49 PM
#1454
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Yep, I definitely think we’ll see regionals have to raise pay to compete for hiring with the LCC’s. The companies that can’t afford it will lose out on recruiting abilities, and we’ll likely see some consolidation and probably one regional fold. One key difference between LCCs and Regionals will be upgrade times, if your goal is the Majors PIC time is a big deal. Upgrade times at the LCC’s are definitely going to be longer than regionals. I’ll be interested to watch what Spirit does. As for now, we have Frontier and Sun Country taking applications from those with ATP minimums, presently you might not be super competitive with this time however this will likely change progressively within the next few years. Watch for JetBlue too, they’ve actually given job offers out to a limited number of university students.
06-23-2021, 01:11 PM
#1455
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I have seen a trend whereby new hires interview with a couple of regionals, get the cjo and go with one that offers the earliest school date. Paying no mind to commute or qol. FLL-IAH is an example of a commuter whom I got the opportunity to have a light conversation with a while ago.
06-23-2021, 05:22 PM
#1456
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I have seen a trend whereby new hires interview with a couple of regionals, get the cjo and go with one that offers the earliest school date. Paying no mind to commute or qol. FLL-IAH is an example of a commuter whom I got the opportunity to have a light conversation with a while ago.
06-23-2021, 11:06 PM
#1457
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06-24-2021, 01:55 AM
#1458
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Yep, I definitely think we’ll see regionals have to raise pay to compete for hiring with the LCC’s. The companies that can’t afford it will lose out on recruiting abilities, and we’ll likely see some consolidation and probably one regional fold. One key difference between LCCs and Regionals will be upgrade times, if your goal is the Majors PIC time is a big deal. Upgrade times at the LCC’s are definitely going to be longer than regionals. I’ll be interested to watch what Spirit does. As for now, we have Frontier and Sun Country taking applications from those with ATP minimums, presently you might not be super competitive with this time however this will likely change progressively within the next few years. Watch for JetBlue too, they’ve actually given job offers out to a limited number of university students.
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