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#1031
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
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All that selecting transition does is allow crew scheduling to make you legal between your last trip of one month and the first trip of the new month. What often happens is they drop a turn or an overnight right in the middle to give you the needed rest and weekly hour requirements. These dropped trips are paid in this case.
If you dont select it, the conflict is simply dropped away on either side and you dont get paid. If you live in base, this is what I would do 100% of the time and like the poster above mentioned, just pick up an OT turn somewhere to make up the lost pay.
However, if you commute the transition option is nice because you get paid, get a hotel and save yourself an extra commute. The choice is yours at the end of the day. I would add though, being gone from home that many days is rough in my opinion. It takes more time to adjust once back home and if you have a family, you would be surprised at how long those extra days feel.
If you dont select it, the conflict is simply dropped away on either side and you dont get paid. If you live in base, this is what I would do 100% of the time and like the poster above mentioned, just pick up an OT turn somewhere to make up the lost pay.
However, if you commute the transition option is nice because you get paid, get a hotel and save yourself an extra commute. The choice is yours at the end of the day. I would add though, being gone from home that many days is rough in my opinion. It takes more time to adjust once back home and if you have a family, you would be surprised at how long those extra days feel.
Selecting transition only means that you let crew scheduling salvage the rest of the trip back to your schedule. So let's say you have a 4-day starting on the 29th, and another 4 day starting on the 1st. The conflict dates are 1st 2nd and 3rd. With transition off, the 4 day starting on the 1st drops off as DC, and you get the 4th off. With transition on, they drop the 1st, 2nd and 3rd day bits, and add whatever is left of that trip that dropped, often just a turn. You only get paid for this added part, NOT the part that was dropped.
So if you lose 10 hours in transition, you lose 10 hours of your line guarantee value, plus whatever carryover was left.
#1032
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
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No - DCs are not paid. You only get paid for the remaining flying that they add when you use the transition option. Common misconception that you get paid for the dropped trips. You do not.
Selecting transition only means that you let crew scheduling salvage the rest of the trip back to your schedule. So let's say you have a 4-day starting on the 29th, and another 4 day starting on the 1st. The conflict dates are 1st 2nd and 3rd. With transition off, the 4 day starting on the 1st drops off as DC, and you get the 4th off. With transition on, they drop the 1st, 2nd and 3rd day bits, and add whatever is left of that trip that dropped, often just a turn. You only get paid for this added part, NOT the part that was dropped.
So if you lose 10 hours in transition, you lose 10 hours of your line guarantee value, plus whatever carryover was left.
Selecting transition only means that you let crew scheduling salvage the rest of the trip back to your schedule. So let's say you have a 4-day starting on the 29th, and another 4 day starting on the 1st. The conflict dates are 1st 2nd and 3rd. With transition off, the 4 day starting on the 1st drops off as DC, and you get the 4th off. With transition on, they drop the 1st, 2nd and 3rd day bits, and add whatever is left of that trip that dropped, often just a turn. You only get paid for this added part, NOT the part that was dropped.
So if you lose 10 hours in transition, you lose 10 hours of your line guarantee value, plus whatever carryover was left.
E. MONTH TO MONTH SCHEDULE ADJUSTMENTS
1. Should a pilot be awarded a schedule which contains a trip sequence that continues into the next bid period, the pilot will complete the trip sequence and his schedule for the next bid period will be adjusted if necessary. Such pilot will not be paid for flight removals in the next month.
2. At the pilot’s option, indicated on his monthly bid, Crew Scheduling may determine whether to adjust (for the purpose of contractual and/or FAR legalities) a pilot’s month-to-month schedule in the last three (3) days of the current month or first four (4) days of the next month. Any pilot choosing this option will be paid for any flights from which removed for satisfying such legality in either the current or next month.
Example: #1: A pilot removed for a 7-day, 30/7 conflict etc. will be pay protected for any flights removed for the purpose of correcting an FAR or contractual illegality.
Example: #2: A pilot removed due to a conflict between flights in a current month sequence and flights in a new month sequence, scheduled to operate on the same day(s), will not be pay protected for such removals.
Per MEC-1106 Settlement Agreement, pilot will always finish prior month's flying before commencing subsequent reserve month's flying whether he checks transition box or not.
Pilots who have DC put into new trip whenever possible even if trip doesn't fly through domicile as long as both pilots can DHD on ENY/AA and no additional hotel rooms needed.
If a pilot checks the transition box on his bid ballot and has a 7 day in transition will be paid for all legs removed on that day. When correcting 7 day, company is not required to build DHDs or pay credit DHD legs per paragraph #2 at the end of the flying day prior to the 7 day conflict. However, any DHDs added after 7 day conflict will be paid.
If pilot has FAR or transition illegality within the direct conflict sequence and the flights do not overlap or operate at the same time such that he could have otherwise flown both schedules absent the illegality, he will be pay-protected.
Q&A 10-4: "TL" code on HI-1 indicates pay-protection for removed flying.
#1033
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
So, you are pay protected for TL, but not DC. For lineholders, a lot of conflicts are DCs and thus not pay protected. Pretty easy to lose 10 hours of pay that way. Especially if your first trip of the month has some silly 1.5 hour GRK overnight which they tag on to an already weak end of the previous trip. Most of the time for reserves you want the transition, because you get paid for the TL day off you get. But for lineholders, the transition is a trap and it only works if you have back to back trips. For overlapping trips, transition often works against you.
I had a 19 hour 4-day turn into a 3 hour overnight and 4 hours of carryon. So I lost 12 hours of pay and working 6 days in a row. Never making that mistake(selecting transition) again.
I had a 19 hour 4-day turn into a 3 hour overnight and 4 hours of carryon. So I lost 12 hours of pay and working 6 days in a row. Never making that mistake(selecting transition) again.
#1034
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,792
So, you are pay protected for TL, but not DC. For lineholders, a lot of conflicts are DCs and thus not pay protected. Pretty easy to lose 10 hours of pay that way. Especially if your first trip of the month has some silly 1.5 hour GRK overnight which they tag on to an already weak end of the previous trip. Most of the time for reserves you want the transition, because you get paid for the TL day off you get. But for lineholders, the transition is a trap and it only works if you have back to back trips. For overlapping trips, transition often works against you.
I had a 19 hour 4-day turn into a 3 hour overnight and 4 hours of carryon. So I lost 12 hours of pay and working 6 days in a row. Never making that mistake(selecting transition) again.
I had a 19 hour 4-day turn into a 3 hour overnight and 4 hours of carryon. So I lost 12 hours of pay and working 6 days in a row. Never making that mistake(selecting transition) again.
Eagle Quickbid makes things fantastic if you want to roll the dice and have the seniority to know you will get what you want. To be clear, to benefit from transition you NEED to be able to create a 30/7 conflict or some other duty day issue, otherwise it will not be paid.
Some pilots, especially more senior ones activity search these trips out to make extra money for the same amount of work. Good luck to all who try and be sure of your bidding.
#1035
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 177
I had been selecting NO to transition until I spoke to union reps who said it was best to select YES 99% of the time so yeah I think i was doing right before by selecting NO and picking up a few hours of OT to compensate
#1036
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
Never again if I have any carryover flying.
#1037
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: CA
Posts: 147
You will not be allowed to trade. Conflict is beginning of month, then ttot not available until at least first day of the new month, plus trot will not trade into a conflict and manual ttot will not be approved.
But you knew that because you were not lazy to read up on it.
But you knew that because you were not lazy to read up on it.
#1039
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
Got a contract reference for this? Not saying you're wrong, just didn't see it after a quick glance.
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