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08-13-2019, 12:00 PM
#1011
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
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Posts: 297
How so? I can tell PBS to build me a line based of 90 credit hours a month, and it will if I have the seniority to hold that. Doesn't take upper echelon seniority to do that either...just enough to be off the bottom of line holders. Plenty of guys here (YX) crediting >90 hours a month with 17 or more days off. Your crappy lines in a bid packet won't get you that without picking up OT on your very few off days. I've never understood the line bidding is better than PBS argument.
08-13-2019, 12:17 PM
#1012
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
How so? I can tell PBS to build me a line based of 90 credit hours a month, and it will if I have the seniority to hold that. Doesn't take upper echelon seniority to do that either...just enough to be off the bottom of line holders. Plenty of guys here (YX) crediting >90 hours a month with 17 or more days off. Your crappy lines in a bid packet won't get you that without picking up OT on your very few off days. I've never understood the line bidding is better than PBS argument.
PBS needs good work rules to be good for the pilots. PBS with poor rules can be borderline abusive. RAH has good work rules so PBS has good pairings and builds efficient schedules. With our work rules, PBS for the mid level and below guys would absolutely suck (5 lost days a month with no min day guarantee, anyone?). So for us, line bidding is much better, because company tries to build lines up to at least the min guarantee value. So they mix up some of the trash with a few gems to bulk up the line credit.
If we had PBS, the senior guys would get the day turn pairings with 19 days off and 90+ hours of credit. The mid-senior pilots would get the 17-20 hour 4-day pairings. And the mid to junior guys would end up with all the lost day garbage, because all good pairings would've already been gone.
08-13-2019, 12:22 PM
#1013
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 687
How so? I can tell PBS to build me a line based of 90 credit hours a month, and it will if I have the seniority to hold that. Doesn't take upper echelon seniority to do that either...just enough to be off the bottom of line holders. Plenty of guys here (YX) crediting >90 hours a month with 17 or more days off. Your crappy lines in a bid packet won't get you that without picking up OT on your very few off days. I've never understood the line bidding is better than PBS argument.
08-13-2019, 12:44 PM
#1014
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
PBS takes the same sequence pairings that we have with line bidding. So you get the same credit each sequence so you'd have to work a lot more days to increase your credit. PBS also gets rid of transition, vacation, training and flight time conflicts so you lose out on pay from there while also taking away most open time so you lose the ability to pick up overtime. That's how you lose money.... there's a reason the company had a 5 million dollar price tag on it if we chose to say no to PBS.
08-13-2019, 01:10 PM
#1015
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Posts: 3,792
08-13-2019, 01:27 PM
#1016
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 687
It would have to go to a pilot vote, with the concession number readjusted. And they wouldn't push those concessions on us in this hiring environment. A little market downturn and pilots become a surplus again and I'm sure they would.
08-13-2019, 01:57 PM
#1017
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,707
Mgt trolls starting PBS talk. PBS is a management tool, not pilot friendly. Ask the aa pilots
3 on 1 off 4 on 2 off, at least that's what the Boston guys get.
Feel free to find positive attributes to PBS, there are none, why because you need trip and duty rigs to start with and you have none and work rules other than far 117.
3 on 1 off 4 on 2 off, at least that's what the Boston guys get.
Feel free to find positive attributes to PBS, there are none, why because you need trip and duty rigs to start with and you have none and work rules other than far 117.
08-13-2019, 09:30 PM
#1019
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Pawn
Posts: 1,138
It's already in the contract. If the company wants PBS then they’ll get PBS. If the pilots say no, we aren’t doing it, then they owe the company millions in cost savings every year. I can guess what LOA the company would love to have back as a price tag. PBS won’t magically fix all of the issues. The flight file is inherently weak due to the lack of midday turns in multiple hubs. People talk of trip rigs, and duty rigs, min day credit like it’s something that just appears. The company and the union just went through hell. I’m sure they feel like a couple who just got a divorce and are in no mood to talk anymore about who keeps the commemorative dinnerware.
08-14-2019, 02:06 AM
#1020
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,792
I do happen to agree that it wouldn’t serve them well right now but my point still holds true.
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