SilentLurker

I don’t know enough about the story bruh, probably a good story bruh. Not sure why u missed the third flight bruh. Explain that again if you don’t mind... I’m not trying to re-read the whole post right now.

Sad part is:

1: Union guys telling you Oh well.
2: I personally don’t care if in my personal eyes your in the wrong or not. Facts and contract. I would still go to bat for you based on my duties & responsibilities towards a dues paying union member. Should fight fight fight until the end for the brotherhood/sisterhood.

I pray and hope this works out well for you. A bit excessive based on what you wrote, especially IF it is your first occurrence. IF it is not your first occurrence; then dude, don’t be known! Best of luck.

Learn from it, make better decisions, and don’t let it happen again. I hope it works out better for you. Sorry Fartman.

highfarfast

It doesn't say you can't go home for sure.

As far as "good faith", as the story was told, two attempts on a day off. didn't make it so he was removed from a certain amount of flying. He made it to that which was left. I fail to see how that's not good faith. He's not paid for the flying missed. He's not paid for time at the airport trying to commute on a DAY OFF. I don't see how he benefited from missing the original sign in time here in a way that's worth the effort put in.

in2deep

Getting to work in his case after that scenario would mean compromising safety of flight. I’d say he was in good faith.

fatman

To add the commute was through CLT.
In December. Snow was falling. Hence the delays and cancellations. When explaining that IF I had flown in, with the ride to and from the hotel, then at most I could have gotten 5 hours of sleep. I remember them saying, “it’s your responsibility to get to work with enough time to be well rested.” I explained that I left at 10a the morning prior. They said “I should have left the day before.” So remember guys to commute in 36hrs prior.
It was made very clear to me that if you are worried about fatigue, don’t bother calling early enough to help anyone. Wait until you get to the gate, call crew scheduling, put it on speakerphone, pick up the mic for the intercom, start yawning loud enough for the guys in the A gates to hear you, repeat until they remove you.
With the amount of crap they make us listen too in training and the atp-ctp course about fatigue, they don’t give a damn about us flying comprised.
Other info.... The THIRD flight leaving at 10p, I was number #53 on the standby. Had already been delayed. The only reason I was given the MA was that I went home. If I got a hotel in CLT then nothing would have happened. I am obviously not granted any commuter hotels in CLT or I would have stayed there. No point having a crash pad in the intermediate commuting location. Sometimes I did CLT, sometimes ATL, DCA, DFW. Can’t afford one at all of those and one in base and my mortgage.
You guys are RIGHT. The contract says nothing about going home. Also doesn’t say take third flight. I think it’s messed up, IF someone has a one leg commute and can go home, then there is no obligation to catch the THIRD or fourth flight even if they could. I went home just like anyone else would have, it’s just that my ride home was an RJ and not a corolla.

No it was not in LGA though I have my own issues with that guy. Twas in MIA.

Cyio

Surprised you had such trouble. I had to use one once, I tried twice, couldn’t get on either of them. Took pictures of both boarding passes and called crew scheduling. Following that I emailed cpo with the pictures and all was good. This was the same day I was starting work as well.

Flew in next morning to start sequence. I will say that this was for a dfw cpo which I have seen to be much more civilized and realistic with things.

NoValueAviator

It sounds like one particular manager, who already has a bad reputation with every pilot I've encountered in my time here, using his position to be malicious. Just another reason to get as far from LGA as possible as fast as possible.

What surprises me most is that the union seemingly hung you out to dry? Did they explain why the MA stuck?

fatman

I was told that there’s just some situations that the contract doesn’t cover. I even disputed it and nothing. I do have several verbal promises that after 9 months of being a good boy I can ask to get it removed. For whatever that’s worth.

llws

Is there something wrong with you? It says 2 attempts. If you don't go home after that, where do you expect people to go?

FullThrust

No, is there something wrong with you? First, the guy got a letter in his file for doing exactly what you are advocating. Second, go and ask the CPO this question they will tell you it is 2 attempts and continue trying to get to work - not 2 attempts and go home. Thirdly, the contract language is vague and when the language is vague the company is going to win every time if push comes to shove. Lastly, I don’t care where people go or what they do honestly, but the company expects you to be at work on days you are scheduled to be at work. It’s no different than if you first round trip cancels on day 1 and you have 6 hours until your next leg. Scheduling still expects you to stay at the airport for possible reassignment. Do people go home? Sure, but you are rolling the dice they won’t call you.

Again, I really don’t care what people do. I’m just one person on the internet giving conservative advice to keep your nose clean and out of the cpo.

Pedro4President

First part I agree with. Commuting and vague language you are spot on.

What is this thing people have with being worried about Missing a phone call from CS??? Once you are at the airport and on a trip there is NO obligation for you to be available for reassignment except during OSO. If you have a four hour sit or something cancels and you have a long sit then there is no obligation for you to answer a phone call from CS. Go home go eat go to a movie.