Commuter Policy
05-25-2018, 10:40 AM
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For one, you don't have to be in uniform to jumpseat.
It's been a while since I've read the commuter policy (I think it's an LOA and you should probably look there if you're going to try to deny using the jumpseat as an option to get to work) but I don't remember it spelling out that you had to jumpseat if offered. However, I doubt it would go well for you if the CPO knew the jumpseat was available and you did not take it.
That said, my one time experience in using the commuter policy, I don't think they even looked at the load (was Envoy equipment). All they wanted was a boarding pass to prove I was there.
As far as the comment about getting out of work; when you have a two leg commute to work and you're displaced for IOE (yay!) but they leave you one single turn that requires you to overnight with a commuter hotel (if you have one available still), that's when it's worth it to try and get out of work. Had that happen to me twice and swaps and drops would not let me out of it. I still did the turns. I play by the rules but I understand why some don't. If you really want to get out of work, I think there are better ways to do it.
It's been a while since I've read the commuter policy (I think it's an LOA and you should probably look there if you're going to try to deny using the jumpseat as an option to get to work) but I don't remember it spelling out that you had to jumpseat if offered. However, I doubt it would go well for you if the CPO knew the jumpseat was available and you did not take it.
That said, my one time experience in using the commuter policy, I don't think they even looked at the load (was Envoy equipment). All they wanted was a boarding pass to prove I was there.
As far as the comment about getting out of work; when you have a two leg commute to work and you're displaced for IOE (yay!) but they leave you one single turn that requires you to overnight with a commuter hotel (if you have one available still), that's when it's worth it to try and get out of work. Had that happen to me twice and swaps and drops would not let me out of it. I still did the turns. I play by the rules but I understand why some don't. If you really want to get out of work, I think there are better ways to do it.
05-25-2018, 10:42 AM
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2. To the poster up above saying you should always commute in uniform, I have to say, I firmly disagree with you and think that is a crappy mind set. If I am traveling on a day off, to ensure I get to work early, I dont feel being in uniform should be the norm.
4. Why would the chief pilot have an issue? Again, if it clearly states in the contract, I couldn't find it, that we MUST accept a JS then I agree, we would be in trouble. However, without that being listed, I dont see why or how we could be in trouble for it. Again, there are many valid reasons why you wouldn't sit in the JS.
4. Why would the chief pilot have an issue? Again, if it clearly states in the contract, I couldn't find it, that we MUST accept a JS then I agree, we would be in trouble. However, without that being listed, I dont see why or how we could be in trouble for it. Again, there are many valid reasons why you wouldn't sit in the JS.
4. Work here long enough and you'll figure out why we tend to think that management will interpret the contract in the way that least suits you. That said, griff changed my mind with his post. You may get some grief from the CPO (IF they knew) but I think you'd have a good leg to stand on if it had to go as far as a grievance.
Edit: Looks like we were posting at the same time.
Last edited by highfarfast; 05-25-2018 at 11:03 AM.
05-25-2018, 10:52 AM
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Can anyone provide insight on a 2 leg commute?
For example, do you give youseself 2 flights per leg, or 2 from home, or 2 to get to work? The contract is not clear on this.
In any case, does commuting the day before work show good faith no matter what happens?
For example, do you give youseself 2 flights per leg, or 2 from home, or 2 to get to work? The contract is not clear on this.
In any case, does commuting the day before work show good faith no matter what happens?
05-25-2018, 11:12 AM
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" What counts as 2 good faith attempts, when you have a 2 leg commute", has been a gray area that no one seems to be able to definitively answer. I've heard it from people that DO have 2 leg commutes, that if you make the 1st leg, and are unable to get to base from the intermediate station, that that is good enough. It makes since, why would you strand yourself away from home and base, to get out of work? Having said that, it's not black and white in the contract, and probably up to the cpo reviewing the situation.
Yes, one should always make the best effort to get to work on time. And I'm sure no one is advocating abusing the policy. Commuting a day early, especially when you don't have to, shows a good faith effort, even if you forego the jumpseat. Say you give up a jumpseat commuting a day early, to someone who has to report the day of, because you believe you'll get on the next flight, then don't get on the next one for some reason. I don't think the cpo will have a problem with that. As long as they believe you genuinely tried to get to work, but were unable due to circumstances out of your control. As far as being required to take the JS, I believe that if you're commuting on the day of your trip, then you're somewhat obligated to take it (whilst also meeting JS attire requirments), if it's the last resort, especially if it's on the last attempt. (Unless you are denied, or JS is unavailable. But you may have to explain "why" when clearing the MA). However, JS on your day off should not be a hard requirment, for reasons stated earlier. It's your day off man!
Yes, one should always make the best effort to get to work on time. And I'm sure no one is advocating abusing the policy. Commuting a day early, especially when you don't have to, shows a good faith effort, even if you forego the jumpseat. Say you give up a jumpseat commuting a day early, to someone who has to report the day of, because you believe you'll get on the next flight, then don't get on the next one for some reason. I don't think the cpo will have a problem with that. As long as they believe you genuinely tried to get to work, but were unable due to circumstances out of your control. As far as being required to take the JS, I believe that if you're commuting on the day of your trip, then you're somewhat obligated to take it (whilst also meeting JS attire requirments), if it's the last resort, especially if it's on the last attempt. (Unless you are denied, or JS is unavailable. But you may have to explain "why" when clearing the MA). However, JS on your day off should not be a hard requirment, for reasons stated earlier. It's your day off man!
05-25-2018, 01:23 PM
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Anyone have an answer for this?
05-25-2018, 01:37 PM
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05-25-2018, 01:43 PM
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" What counts as 2 good faith attempts, when you have a 2 leg commute", has been a gray area that no one seems to be able to definitively answer. I've heard it from people that DO have 2 leg commutes, that if you make the 1st leg, and are unable to get to base from the intermediate station, that that is good enough. It makes since, why would you strand yourself away from home and base, to get out of work? Having said that, it's not black and white in the contract, and probably up to the cpo reviewing the situation.
Yes, one should always make the best effort to get to work on time. And I'm sure no one is advocating abusing the policy. Commuting a day early, especially when you don't have to, shows a good faith effort, even if you forego the jumpseat. Say you give up a jumpseat commuting a day early, to someone who has to report the day of, because you believe you'll get on the next flight, then don't get on the next one for some reason. I don't think the cpo will have a problem with that. As long as they believe you genuinely tried to get to work, but were unable due to circumstances out of your control. As far as being required to take the JS, I believe that if you're commuting on the day of your trip, then you're somewhat obligated to take it (whilst also meeting JS attire requirments), if it's the last resort, especially if it's on the last attempt. (Unless you are denied, or JS is unavailable. But you may have to explain "why" when clearing the MA). However, JS on your day off should not be a hard requirment, for reasons stated earlier. It's your day off man!
Yes, one should always make the best effort to get to work on time. And I'm sure no one is advocating abusing the policy. Commuting a day early, especially when you don't have to, shows a good faith effort, even if you forego the jumpseat. Say you give up a jumpseat commuting a day early, to someone who has to report the day of, because you believe you'll get on the next flight, then don't get on the next one for some reason. I don't think the cpo will have a problem with that. As long as they believe you genuinely tried to get to work, but were unable due to circumstances out of your control. As far as being required to take the JS, I believe that if you're commuting on the day of your trip, then you're somewhat obligated to take it (whilst also meeting JS attire requirments), if it's the last resort, especially if it's on the last attempt. (Unless you are denied, or JS is unavailable. But you may have to explain "why" when clearing the MA). However, JS on your day off should not be a hard requirment, for reasons stated earlier. It's your day off man!
05-25-2018, 02:48 PM
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I am a DFW commuter, and when I first started commuting to ORD, I would often 2-leg as the flight loads looked way better going via TUL, XNA, etc (plus the metal was often ENY, which helped getting the JS). The CPO, told me not to do this as many times there was only one flight from the secondary city, and they said I was better off trying for 2 direct flights, then trying to get guidance on what would happen if I did not make it from the intermediate city...Fine by me!
They appreciated the 'good faith gesture' but at the end of the day this is way better for me...just going home if I dont make it vs. stuck in TUL. Of course if you have 2-leg...YMMV.
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They appreciated the 'good faith gesture' but at the end of the day this is way better for me...just going home if I dont make it vs. stuck in TUL. Of course if you have 2-leg...YMMV.
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05-27-2018, 01:53 PM
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Ive got a good scenario.
Lets say you have a trip starting at 10am the next day and theres 1 flight that same day that gets you there before then. Theoretically if you try the last flight out the night before and that bangs, and that morning flight also bangs, would you still say thats 2 attempts? After all the contract only says 2 attempts that get you there before sign in time.
Lets say you have a trip starting at 10am the next day and theres 1 flight that same day that gets you there before then. Theoretically if you try the last flight out the night before and that bangs, and that morning flight also bangs, would you still say thats 2 attempts? After all the contract only says 2 attempts that get you there before sign in time.
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