Direct Entry Captain QOL? Is it worth it?
06-02-2018, 08:30 AM
#31
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding how the DEC thing is set up. If you come to Envoy as a DEC, doesn’t that still make you junior to every FO at the company? In this case, wouldn’t a LGA DEC always be junior to every other upgrading pilot at the airline, and pretty much permenantly be on reserve, being bounced to whatever the junior base was?
For example at my regional we had some guys come in and upgrade after a month, they remained on reserve and junior to every upgrading pilot for 2 years until the guys upgrading had a later DOH.
Also what aircraft type is this DEC position available for? The E175?
For example at my regional we had some guys come in and upgrade after a month, they remained on reserve and junior to every upgrading pilot for 2 years until the guys upgrading had a later DOH.
Also what aircraft type is this DEC position available for? The E175?
06-02-2018, 11:53 AM
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding how the DEC thing is set up. If you come to Envoy as a DEC, doesn’t that still make you junior to every FO at the company? In this case, wouldn’t a LGA DEC always be junior to every other upgrading pilot at the airline, and pretty much permenantly be on reserve, being bounced to whatever the junior base was?
For example at my regional we had some guys come in and upgrade after a month, they remained on reserve and junior to every upgrading pilot for 2 years until the guys upgrading had a later DOH.
For example at my regional we had some guys come in and upgrade after a month, they remained on reserve and junior to every upgrading pilot for 2 years until the guys upgrading had a later DOH.
1. The more DEC's we have, the better for the traditional pilot group. I say this because the DEC's fill the LGA location and the 145, so that leaves more open spots on other locations and fleets because the company doesn't have to place every new hire there.
2. I almost look at the DEC's as their own seniority list to a certain point. Once we get enough of them, they will all pretty much be in LGA with only a select few of our traditional Captains still there due to living at that location. So in a sense, they will move up the seniority list "relative" to the base they are in.
3. Most of the DEC's already have a pretty good amount of experience and are looking to finish off their hours and move on anyway, so I think they are going to be moving quickly. They came for the big payout and the last segment of hours they needed and will take the first non-regional job they are offered. The ones I have spoken to by and large have no heavy desire to go to AA, so the loyalty isn't there.
With those points, I actually think we will hit a point that LGA will be stocked with primarily DEC captains that will move up there respective list, in base, and be holding lines. Once they get the hours, they move on and the cycle repeats.
06-02-2018, 12:21 PM
#33
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Well yes and no. So this is actually a little more in depth than I think most people care to believe.
1. The more DEC's we have, the better for the traditional pilot group. I say this because the DEC's fill the LGA location and the 145, so that leaves more open spots on other locations and fleets because the company doesn't have to place every new hire there.
2. I almost look at the DEC's as their own seniority list to a certain point. Once we get enough of them, they will all pretty much be in LGA with only a select few of our traditional Captains still there due to living at that location. So in a sense, they will move up the seniority list "relative" to the base they are in.
3. Most of the DEC's already have a pretty good amount of experience and are looking to finish off their hours and move on anyway, so I think they are going to be moving quickly. They came for the big payout and the last segment of hours they needed and will take the first non-regional job they are offered. The ones I have spoken to by and large have no heavy desire to go to AA, so the loyalty isn't there.
With those points, I actually think we will hit a point that LGA will be stocked with primarily DEC captains that will move up there respective list, in base, and be holding lines. Once they get the hours, they move on and the cycle repeats.
1. The more DEC's we have, the better for the traditional pilot group. I say this because the DEC's fill the LGA location and the 145, so that leaves more open spots on other locations and fleets because the company doesn't have to place every new hire there.
2. I almost look at the DEC's as their own seniority list to a certain point. Once we get enough of them, they will all pretty much be in LGA with only a select few of our traditional Captains still there due to living at that location. So in a sense, they will move up the seniority list "relative" to the base they are in.
3. Most of the DEC's already have a pretty good amount of experience and are looking to finish off their hours and move on anyway, so I think they are going to be moving quickly. They came for the big payout and the last segment of hours they needed and will take the first non-regional job they are offered. The ones I have spoken to by and large have no heavy desire to go to AA, so the loyalty isn't there.
With those points, I actually think we will hit a point that LGA will be stocked with primarily DEC captains that will move up there respective list, in base, and be holding lines. Once they get the hours, they move on and the cycle repeats.
06-04-2018, 01:28 PM
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If you have 1000 hr in 121 why would you go to a reginal, when you can already to a heavery operator? Guys need to expand their horizons. I know some guys are persuading the tittle of "Airline Pilot" you look cool going down the terminal and talking to your friends, and that's cool, that's what you want. But there are a lot of options out there. My friend got a job flying a 737 with less than 2000 hrs total, and I just got a job on a 757 with less than 1000 turbine. So there are many options out there. Don't luck yourselves in to a single area of this industry.
06-05-2018, 03:04 PM
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Thanks folks!
06-05-2018, 05:53 PM
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The LGA CA reserve list has been zeroing out most days, MIA reserve guys barely fly.
Hope this helps.
06-06-2018, 08:57 AM
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Yes DEC’s are holding MIA under a year as it currently stands. Yes there is airport standby at all bases, and as the junior CA on the reserve list you will likely get airport standby for a while, with a slight reprieve as you get close to your 100 hour consolidation date and you get pre assigned flying. Then back to airport standby.
The LGA CA reserve list has been zeroing out most days, MIA reserve guys barely fly.
Hope this helps.
The LGA CA reserve list has been zeroing out most days, MIA reserve guys barely fly.
Hope this helps.
06-06-2018, 09:02 AM
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As for the rest of your questions i haven’t bothered to keep tabs.
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