Direct Entry Captain QOL? Is it worth it?
05-31-2018, 10:31 AM
#21
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I think the DECs are doing fine so long as they stay in LGA. Most are holding lines within a few months. It’s when they try and leave that base that I think the problems arise.
Anyway, we want more DECs, at least those of us already on the seniority list as they take spots we mostly don’t want to fill. In their defense they are getting large payouts to do it.
Anyway, we want more DECs, at least those of us already on the seniority list as they take spots we mostly don’t want to fill. In their defense they are getting large payouts to do it.
05-31-2018, 10:49 AM
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It sit going to happen. Higher pay isn't going to happen when we are hiring as much as we can handle.
05-31-2018, 12:40 PM
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05-31-2018, 01:18 PM
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Management knows their captain shortage is almost over with the 2016/2017 new hire fo’s all nearing their time.
In addition, we have like a six month waiting list to come to this company, another reason they won’t budge on money.
The flow is working for now so that doesn’t help our cause either. Don’t get me wrong I would love higher pay, however I don’t see it happening in the near future and would at least prefer more of the LGA 145 slots being taken up by DECs.
05-31-2018, 01:19 PM
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05-31-2018, 03:58 PM
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If only we were mainline AA... Delta gave their pilots a raise and then AA pilots got a raise because “it was the right thing to do.” If management is so concerned about building trust among employees then the wholly owned should have their pay raised to match Endeavor.
05-31-2018, 03:58 PM
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I get your point. I just don't buy it. The company can contractually hire DEC. Hiring DEC decreases time on reserve for all pilots which in turn increases base pay and QOL and days off. The main difference in our view points rest on leverage. You think we have or have the ability to obtain it. The ONLY leverage you have over this company is to leave. Find a better job.
06-01-2018, 11:36 AM
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1000 hr, why you go to another reginal?
If you have 1000 hr in 121 why would you go to a reginal, when you can already to a heavery operator? Guys need to expand their horizons. I know some guys are persuading the tittle of "Airline Pilot" you look cool going down the terminal and talking to your friends, and that's cool, that's what you want. But there are a lot of options out there. My friend got a job flying a 737 with less than 2000 hrs total, and I just got a job on a 757 with less than 1000 turbine. So there are many options out there. Don't luck yourselves in to a single area of this industry.
06-02-2018, 08:13 AM
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding how the DEC thing is set up. If you come to Envoy as a DEC, doesn’t that still make you junior to every FO at the company? In this case, wouldn’t a LGA DEC always be junior to every other upgrading pilot at the airline, and pretty much permenantly be on reserve, being bounced to whatever the junior base was?
For example at my regional we had some guys come in and upgrade after a month, they remained on reserve and junior to every upgrading pilot for 2 years until the guys upgrading had a later DOH.
For example at my regional we had some guys come in and upgrade after a month, they remained on reserve and junior to every upgrading pilot for 2 years until the guys upgrading had a later DOH.
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06-02-2018, 08:29 AM
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding how the DEC thing is set up. If you come to Envoy as a DEC, doesn’t that still make you junior to every FO at the company? In this case, wouldn’t a LGA DEC always be junior to every other upgrading pilot at the airline, and pretty much permenantly be on reserve, being bounced to whatever the junior base was?
For example at my regional we had some guys come in and upgrade after a month, they remained on reserve and junior to every upgrading pilot for 2 years until the guys upgrading had a later DOH.
Also what aircraft type is this DEC position available for? The E175?
For example at my regional we had some guys come in and upgrade after a month, they remained on reserve and junior to every upgrading pilot for 2 years until the guys upgrading had a later DOH.
Also what aircraft type is this DEC position available for? The E175?
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