MD-11Loader

Then stay at home my friend. Suckle on the reserve teet for as long as you want.

RabidW0mbat

I thought the 175 was basically impossible to get if you're not a cadet? I have 0 121 time, so essentially I assume I'd be the bottom of the barrel. Is LGA a guarantee if I went 145? Hell at this rate I may just try for the CRJ to ensure Chicago.

Is Envoy still frozen as far as new hires go? I saw they had stopped or slowed classes for the summer.

KAC90

How far backed up are class dates?

I interviewed back in late February and was offered a FO job. At the time of the interview I had around 1100 hours and gave them a tentative date of availability of July 15th. After receiving a call from them a week after the interview stating that I passed the captains review board they told me that I would be receiving additional emails with information on class dates. However, after not hearing anything all through March and April I decided to call them and ask about choosing a class date at which point they told me that classes are filled through August 27th and that I am in a class pool.

So, I guess my question becomes then when will I be taken out of the "class pool" and assigned an official class date? Hoping that I don't hit my 1500hrs in mid July just to be told no classes are available until the end of October.

Whiskey4

Plenty of new hires coming in. It appears that many are coming from tracks/programs... Cadet, RTP, DEC.

NoValueAviator

It's basically gauranteed if you're a cadet, provided they actually offer it. You are also likely to get it if you are very old. Born in the 70's? CRJ tends to go senior because they aren't offering ORD 145 and people will do anything to avoid NY historically, although the LOA might help?

Don't come here if you aren't comfortable with a 2 year sentence to LGA 145 as an FO though, no one can tell you exactly how long it will take to escape from New York and there have been entire classes where NO 175 slots were offered and everyone got the flush.

Envoy has capped classes but is not restricting pipelines - cadets, etc. and still seems to be running 2 classes a month.

havick206

How do you figure it’s 2 years at LGA as an FO? That’s not even in the realm of reality. You can bid out of LGA as an FO usually after a bid cycle or two.

NoValueAviator

That's not my prediction, that's a worst case scenario. How long exactly does it take to get out of NY for a new hire?

havick206

Ok so you’re trying to paint a picture worse than it is by a long way.

A lot of new hires still getting ord in Indoc, those that are LGA out of Indoc are generally getting the award to another base on the next vacancy bid or the one after.

yeahbutstill

In all fairness it took me about 8-9 months to get back to DFW from LGA (new hire class July 2017)and there were classes of 50-60 people back then after mine for a while.. it looks like now the classes are a lot smaller like 25-30 people max so based on that I guess you could figure a little over a year now?

NoValueAviator

I think you're projecting because you're trying to make it look nicer than it is. That's very misleading, the average new hire is unlikely to get the 175 and therefore won't get ORD.

No one is getting out on the first bid. "Generally" two bids? So just say ~8 months, plus several months to transfer and we're up to around 12 months NFE. Then, what if you're unlucky and they don't do a bid one quarter or something? Or class sizes continue to shrink?

Sure, you might get out of NY before you're done with training. You might get called by American before you finish ground school.