bigtime209

Bottom line, they don't really need you that badly right now with where your TT is at. And you don't really need them that badly right now with the current pay and benefits. Try for the hardship; there have been some success stories with the hardship route. If no go, then bail. No big loss for either party. Good luck.

cbrpilot

Agreed. They don't need me in particular, but an FO that's a few months from being able to upgrade is better than a year away. *shrug*

Inop2

I look forward to the union stepping up soon and meeting with the press and industry explaining that because Envoy has a quota they are forcing inexperienced first officers to upgrade to captain even though many of the pilots have made it clear....”I don’t have the experience or training yet to be a captain.” Envoy is jeopardizing the flying public’s safety. I would hate to see the union hide from this as they have been the champion of the 1500 hour rule just to be in the cockpit.

Bigpimppilot

How many first officers have put in 2 weeks notice in the last 6 months?

AcesHigh

Doubtful. But hopeful they'd mention pay too.

Sheg0theD

I know a few captains who quit. I know a few more in the process of seeking other opportunities!


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SilentLurker

[MENTION=64717]cbrpilot[/MENTION] doesn’t RAH have a new IAH base opening? Also, Mesa now has United CPP which the pilot group seems excited about. It will boost both recruitment and retention. To me it seems both RAH & Mesa are better options these days under current conditions (overall take home pay/higher credit Line, better flying-trips-QOL, higher OT/critical coverage, soft pay, work rule wise and better Reserve rules & utilization). Also RAH has recently increased CA pay across the board. Trails Endeavor’s recent CA Pay bump (short term), yet noticeably higher than Endeavors 5th + yr CA’s pay and long term.
[MENTION=64717]cbrpilot[/MENTION], if I were living in IAH area, I’d call Mesa & ask a lot of questions about the new United CPP program. A lot of negative assumptions out that the United CPP process (Hogan & United interview) is difficult) it’s not. Lots of Movement at Mesa also to ATI, and many other mainline carriers. I think ENY is still a larger pilot group than Mesa.

I could be wrong, but It appears that a new hire today can find themselves at Mainline faster via a United CPP regional carrier, Endeavor’s-Delta Guaranteed Interview, Horizon-Alaska CPP, Street Hire-Mainline, also PSA & PDMT’s flows vs a 6-9 yr projected flow here.

Get your popcorn ready, competition is fierce, not just in pay & work rules, but career progression programs that had distinguished ENY.

wiz5422

This is why management better be carefull what they wish for. Growing to a big pilot group only waters down the flow progression to a point it isn't worth the paper it was written on. Plus it then hurts them in the recruiting department since no on values their water down flow anymore and now they can't grow to the size they planned to since no one is coming in the doors.

Hence the situation we find ourselves in.

This is what happens when management is reactive instead of being proactive. Incompetent management makes us all suffer.

NoValueAviator

I don't think Envoy is facing a recruitment problem, it seems like the bottleneck is getting enough captains right now, with many people avoiding flying to avoid being assigned LGA 145 CA.

They probably will have recruiting issues in the future though for fundamentally the same reason, no one wants NYC.

OldBiff

So if you’re not ready to bid for upgrade (you still have to pass training and your Fed ride) with 2500 total time at what point should they write you off as a lost cause? At what point will you be ready to upgrade? How much hand holding do you need? Or is it really about people not accepting the nature of this job? Sometimes you have to commute. They also give you the option to move to your base. It’s no different than any other job. Trying to make it a safety issue is nonsense.