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Old 03-23-2018, 12:33 PM
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Apparently the 27th
Currently eating my own hat. Nice to see that some of the DFW LGA refugees might make it back home.
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Originally Posted by flysooner9
Envoy won’t grow unless people start voluntarily upgrading.
I hope you are right. (I HOPE)Envoy can't continue to force upgrades through displacements. I really wish people would force the issue with bidding defensively. I also wish pilots wouldn't have to do it to make Envoy successful.
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Originally Posted by havick206
Currently eating my own hat. Nice to see that some of the DFW LGA refugees might make it back home.


Doubtful LGA will go Unfilled and will force us all back do to NEB...


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Old 03-23-2018, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
I hope you are right. (I HOPE)Envoy can't continue to force upgrades through displacements. I really wish people would force the issue with bidding defensively. I also wish pilots wouldn't have to do it to make Envoy successful.
I don't know why anyone would proffer for a bid on this one unless you are already a captain. Company has shown it will uphold seniority FO to CA displacements. Gives pilots more options should a new airplane go to a base they want.
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Old 03-23-2018, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip0927
My guess is no vacancy bid. I have a feeling the last bid was the last one we will see for a while. If you go look at the latest flowplan, all the newhires that are eligible to upgrade are being awarded NCE immediately. They dont need to run another bid to “capture” the eligible upgrades. This cuts down on training bloat. This place has a knack for finding creative ways to stick it to the pilot group.
Skip! What about the training bloat?? (Just giving you a hard time, buddy)
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Old 03-26-2018, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
I hope you are right. (I HOPE)Envoy can't continue to force upgrades through displacements. I really wish people would force the issue with bidding defensively. I also wish pilots wouldn't have to do it to make Envoy successful.
~640 hr DFW 175 FO here. Bid reserve in Feb. Line bid in March for days off, but back to reserve for the foreseeable future...likely April through the end of summer or until things change. I'm guessing the forced upgrades will continue until something major happens, like AA absorbing Envoy.

I'd have to quit if I was forced to RSV CA LGA based on personal health issues with the wife and her needing me home as much as possible. Considering the hardship route, but not sure how much of a PITA that will be since management is so hard up on bypassing the contract whenever possible, especially to force an upgrade.
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Originally Posted by cbrpilot
~640 hr DFW 175 FO here. Bid reserve in Feb. Line bid in March for days off, but back to reserve for the foreseeable future...likely April through the end of summer or until things change. I'm guessing the forced upgrades will continue until something major happens, like AA absorbing Envoy.



I'd have to quit if I was forced to RSV CA LGA based on personal health issues with the wife. Considering the hardship route, but not sure how much of a PITA that will be since management is so hard up on bypassing the contract whenever possible, especially to force an upgrade.


The company won’t show any compassion!


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Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
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They don't have to. It's not compassion I'm after. They can either deal with it or I'll bail to EDV or Mesa (ouch) and they'll lose a decent FO that WANTS to fly a lot. There is a contractual option for a hardship, it's just whether or not they'll find a way around it. There's also the "it would be unsafe to upgrade me to the CA seat at this time" route. I have heard of at least one guy that did something to that effect and it worked. I'd just be overly concerned that his letter will remain in his file forever and very well may keep him out of a major (maybe not a LCC) for the rest of his life.

I'm not married to Envoy. There are arguably better options out the for me right now. Especially since I live 20 min from IAH.
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I sent you a PM, but I tried the hardship route and got the proverbial Middle finger!


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I sent you a PM, but I tried the hardship route and got the proverbial Middle finger!


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That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry it didn't work out. I should have known better than to even entertain the idea, but you never get what you don't ask for. Except for the negative stuff.
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