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Old 04-12-2018, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HardLemonade
They can displace any base/seat/equipment their seniority can hold. If they chose the 175, then they go back to the 145 on May 1st until their training date. The most junior instructor is senior to the most junior DFW 175 CA. So if all instructors chose the 175 that's where they're going...

I spoke with 4 instructors who are going back to the line. All 4 are going to the 175 DFW. Its safe to say that most if not all the other 11 are doing the same.
So 2 of the 15 guys in May being put back on the line cannot hold 175 DFW CA because one is 1 number senior to me and the other is about 200 numbers junior to me. And I had no shot at holding DFW 175. Also, the 4 guys going back to the line will have a 2 year seat lock so hopefully they aren’t flowing within the next year. They will run back to the training center this fall when they start rehiring instructors again after a few vancacy bids have run.
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Old 04-12-2018, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Virga show
So 2 of the 15 guys in May being put back on the line cannot hold 175 DFW CA because one is 1 number senior to me and the other is about 200 numbers junior to me. And I had no shot at holding DFW 175. Also, the 4 guys going back to the line will have a 2 year seat lock so hopefully they aren’t flowing within the next year. They will run back to the training center this fall when they start rehiring instructors again after a few vancacy bids have run.
Pretty sure it's a one year seat lock in this case...if there is any seat lock at all. Remember, this is not a voluntary displacement for them.
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by HardLemonade
Pretty sure it's a one year seat lock in this case...if there is any seat lock at all. Remember, this is not a voluntary displacement for them.
There isn't a seat lock when they all are being involuntary displaced. That is why they are choosing the 175.
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Old 04-12-2018, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
If and only if you displace/proffer to displace to it. But yes you could.
What’s the difference between displace and proffer to displace?
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Old 04-13-2018, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
What’s the difference between displace and proffer to displace?
Nothing in terms of contractual protections. The difference is in who is selected. So if ten Dfw 145 were to get displaced. Then they would look for volunteers in seniority order. A proffer to displace is a volunteer. Then they would go in reserve seniority to kick out the rest.
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Old 04-13-2018, 04:51 AM
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I’m the most junior instructor displaced. I couldn’t hold the 175 so I thought I would be going to LGA. After this bid, however, it looks like I can hold DFW which is great since I live there. I was told by my boss the training center was not planning on hiring for the next 6 months at least. I followed up that statement with a question as to whether the displacement was more permanent than we were led to believe. The answer was yes. So, they’ve replaced 15 of us with PSIs. This wasn’t about needing captains on the line. Unfortunately, the quality of training for all of us will be vastly different going forward.
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Old 04-13-2018, 05:03 AM
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Old 04-13-2018, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by skyhog
Unfortunately, the quality of training for all of us will be vastly different going forward.
I wonder if the check airmen will adjust their expectations accordingly.

I bet not.
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Old 04-13-2018, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by skyhog
I’m the most junior instructor displaced. I couldn’t hold the 175 so I thought I would be going to LGA. After this bid, however, it looks like I can hold DFW which is great since I live there. I was told by my boss the training center was not planning on hiring for the next 6 months at least. I followed up that statement with a question as to whether the displacement was more permanent than we were led to believe. The answer was yes. So, they’ve replaced 15 of us with PSIs. This wasn’t about needing captains on the line. Unfortunately, the quality of training for all of us will be vastly different going forward.
I guess this is why the union has asked everyone to fill out training event surveys, not that it will really change anything but at least there will be some sort of paper trail when the inevitable happens.
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Originally Posted by havick206
I guess this is why the union has asked everyone to fill out training event surveys, not that it will really change anything but at least there will be some sort of paper trail when the inevitable happens.
This makes a lot of sense, I was trying to figure it all out.
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