Predictions on next vacancy/displacement bid?
03-28-2018, 05:06 PM
#111
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
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We have already seen an uptick in new captains making mistakes due to inexperience. Please don’t take my word for it, talk to the guys on the safety council. The FAA is also concerned about the rapid decline in experience at the regional level and wants closer scrutiny over standards. But your not concerned.... kick the tires, light the fires and clear the wires, right! Lol
If you tell me we need to up the standards or contact hours in initial upgrade training that’s fine. If you tell me that IOE CAs and check airmen are signing guys off that they shouldn’t then I’ll go along with replacing some of them. In fact if our failure rate is too low that can be indicative of a problem, everyone shouldn’t make it. But the idea that we should construct an actual winter night in Chicago portion of IOE/check rides to meet an experiential moving goal post is ridiculous. There will always be some arbitrary experience that someone doesn’t have, which will allow others to look down on them. Fortunatly we don’t have DECS codes for logging various events throughout your time as an FO as a prerequisite for upgrade, maybe we should. I’m sure participation would mirror the pulse survey or slide video.
It’s about money and comfort for the guys that don’t want to upgrade, not safety or training. To make it about safety is disingenuous.
03-29-2018, 07:21 AM
#112
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 263
That’s what is called a training problem. What your saying is that we have not adequately trained our new captains to operate in a safe manor. Good news is that we can do something about that.
If you tell me we need to up the standards or contact hours in initial upgrade training that’s fine. If you tell me that IOE CAs and check airmen are signing guys off that they shouldn’t then I’ll go along with replacing some of them. In fact if our failure rate is too low that can be indicative of a problem, everyone shouldn’t make it. But the idea that we should construct an actual winter night in Chicago portion of IOE/check rides to meet an experiential moving goal post is ridiculous. There will always be some arbitrary experience that someone doesn’t have, which will allow others to look down on them. Fortunatly we don’t have DECS codes for logging various events throughout your time as an FO as a prerequisite for upgrade, maybe we should. I’m sure participation would mirror the pulse survey or slide video.
It’s about money and comfort for the guys that don’t want to upgrade, not safety or training. To make it about safety is disingenuous.
If you tell me we need to up the standards or contact hours in initial upgrade training that’s fine. If you tell me that IOE CAs and check airmen are signing guys off that they shouldn’t then I’ll go along with replacing some of them. In fact if our failure rate is too low that can be indicative of a problem, everyone shouldn’t make it. But the idea that we should construct an actual winter night in Chicago portion of IOE/check rides to meet an experiential moving goal post is ridiculous. There will always be some arbitrary experience that someone doesn’t have, which will allow others to look down on them. Fortunatly we don’t have DECS codes for logging various events throughout your time as an FO as a prerequisite for upgrade, maybe we should. I’m sure participation would mirror the pulse survey or slide video.
It’s about money and comfort for the guys that don’t want to upgrade, not safety or training. To make it about safety is disingenuous.
03-29-2018, 08:08 AM
#113
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Did you have experience as a captain the first time you signed the book? No. Don’t bull**** me, you can have all the right seat time in the world but it all changes once it’s your ass on the line. Everybody’s first time is their first time, you can only hope that the training is good enough. Have you ever shut down an engine, had a fire, or a any emergency? Do you expect that if you’ve never had these you’d be unable to handle it or would you ball it up because it’d never happened to you before?
Experience is good but you can’t get it second hand. That’s why we train.
Experience is good but you can’t get it second hand. That’s why we train.
03-29-2018, 08:20 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: FO
Posts: 793
Predictions on next vacancy/displacement bid?
Yes, money. It’s all about money, safty, and on-time departures. No particular order, but you can figure it out.
Pilot showing frustration on APC hopefully completed the Pulse Survey. Secondly; AAG has huge weight, a ton more to blame over the Policy at the WO’s. Our pilots don’t seems to realize this. The hammer comes from AAG VP’s directing Envoy. Technically fingers should be pointed their. Our carrier executives just executes. The strings (purse) starts and stops well above our exec’s pay grade.
In this industry, If your not growing RASM and shrinking your CASM, your dying. The shareholder God’s & analysts Goddesses will punish our AAG overseers severely, we will feel the wrath before mainline! This regional industry, especially our carrier has been given creamy **** to work with many times. No matter how creamy it looks & flows (bonuses, new hire pay increases to staff operations) its not Fondue.
(Whispering to new guys who might be complaining): Hey, I don’t blame you. It looked like fondue didn’t it? But now you realize you just ate creamy ****. But you should have taken a whiff in the atmosphere.
Last edited by SilentLurker; 03-29-2018 at 08:46 AM.
03-29-2018, 08:46 AM
#116
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: FO
Posts: 793
03-29-2018, 09:09 AM
#120
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,729
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