Predictions on next vacancy/displacement bid?
03-28-2018, 09:24 AM
#91
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So if you’re not ready to bid for upgrade (you still have to pass training and your Fed ride) with 2500 total time at what point should they write you off as a lost cause? At what point will you be ready to upgrade? How much hand holding do you need? Or is it really about people not accepting the nature of this job? Sometimes you have to commute. They also give you the option to move to your base. It’s no different than any other job. Trying to make it a safety issue is nonsense.
You can train a monkey to fly, but you can't train a monkey to make decisions and act like a captain.
03-28-2018, 10:43 AM
#92
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Upgrade into lga 145, get comfortable, and then bid the jet/base you want. That is how it has always worked. You have plenty of time to get back to the 175 even with the training freeze. There will always be senior bases and senior equipment at every company you go to.
03-28-2018, 10:53 AM
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So if you’re not ready to bid for upgrade (you still have to pass training and your Fed ride) with 2500 total time at what point should they write you off as a lost cause? At what point will you be ready to upgrade? How much hand holding do you need? Or is it really about people not accepting the nature of this job? Sometimes you have to commute. They also give you the option to move to your base. It’s no different than any other job. Trying to make it a safety issue is nonsense.
There’s a lot more to respond to but I’ll let it go at that.
03-28-2018, 11:11 AM
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Upgrade into lga 145, get comfortable, and then bid the jet/base you want. That is how it has always worked. You have plenty of time to get back to the 175 even with the training freeze. There will always be senior bases and senior equipment at every company you go to.
^^^This^^^ I agree. Very good recommendation.
03-28-2018, 11:47 AM
#95
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Let me turn this around....Would you want to put your family on a plane out of Chicago in the winter with a captain who’s total airline experience goes back a year and half and an FO that just started last week? That’s where we are heading in the next few months and many are worried about the outcome. It takes several years of experience to gain the resourcefulness of a safe captain. Better to rely on a bucket full of experience than a cup full of luck. Know one in the company likes where this is heading (except management) including some check airmen that I have spoken with.
There’s a lot more to respond to but I’ll let it go at that.
There’s a lot more to respond to but I’ll let it go at that.
03-28-2018, 11:55 AM
#96
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Upgrade into lga 145, get comfortable, and then bid the jet/base you want. That is how it has always worked. You have plenty of time to get back to the 175 even with the training freeze. There will always be senior bases and senior equipment at every company you go to.
03-28-2018, 12:16 PM
#97
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This is the real crux of it... the entitlement. It’s not from guys who got continuously displaced or commuted to reserve for 3 years until they just moved. It’s folks that didn’t get their first choice and don’t understand that’s how it works sometimes. If you don’t like seniority based awards, you need to find another industry to work in.
03-28-2018, 12:26 PM
#98
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So these check airman must suck at their jobs then right? There are check and balances. What you’re really saying is that our training, check airman, and standards are poor. BTW the same standards that you, mighty captain gate keeper of the skies, had to pass too. You chicken littles act like these guys walk in off the street and into the left seat having never flown before. It’s preposterous.
Our check rides are done in nonstandard profiles where you know exactly what's coming up. IOE consists of 25-30 hours in VFR weather does not adequately assess someone's ability to fly in the north during the winter.
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