New hire considering Envoy?
02-27-2018, 12:17 PM
#61
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,490
Not management...I am an Envoy pilot who actually likes the place. We’re like unicorns on the forums, but we do exist ;D
The problem I have is squaring up projections and seeming “statements of fact” from pilots vs. management. Either one side is right, or the ball comes down somewhere in the middle. I really want to be able to recommend Envoy, but the conflicting information makes that difficult. I’ve enjoyed my time here (not every minute of it, granted), and I want to be able to provide reasonably accurate information to those who ask me about the airline.
A friend who might qualify for the $45k bonus just received a new info sheet from Envoy. It indicates:
- LGA 145 Captain to start
- Ability to base transfer to ORD, MIA, and DFW in 3, 6, and 12 months respectively
- Approx. 5.5 year flow
- Lays our years 1-7 comp with the $45k and years 5-7 at AA
So, is management literally blowing smoke??? Or is this another Charlie Bucket situation where we all think it’s impossible and then it comes true. Hard to tell I guess...only hindsight will tell the story.
The problem I have is squaring up projections and seeming “statements of fact” from pilots vs. management. Either one side is right, or the ball comes down somewhere in the middle. I really want to be able to recommend Envoy, but the conflicting information makes that difficult. I’ve enjoyed my time here (not every minute of it, granted), and I want to be able to provide reasonably accurate information to those who ask me about the airline.
A friend who might qualify for the $45k bonus just received a new info sheet from Envoy. It indicates:
- LGA 145 Captain to start
- Ability to base transfer to ORD, MIA, and DFW in 3, 6, and 12 months respectively
- Approx. 5.5 year flow
- Lays our years 1-7 comp with the $45k and years 5-7 at AA
So, is management literally blowing smoke??? Or is this another Charlie Bucket situation where we all think it’s impossible and then it comes true. Hard to tell I guess...only hindsight will tell the story.
BTW, I’ve liked working here too and if the someone thinks coming here is right for them, great. It’s actually good for me in that it’s one more junior captain to me when I upgrade. However, I think it’s unfair to try to get someone to make a life changing decision under false pretence. If managment/recruiting really is using those data points, they need to be called out on it.
02-27-2018, 04:58 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 135
I guess in the company’s eyes 8-12 per month is better than none and the longer they can hold off pay raises the better for them. Then hold a displacement when they can gather about 50-75 upgrades. Instead of taking care of the current pilot group they have other priorities. They have pilots cornered, new hires won’t leave because of repaying bonuses and senior guys won’t leave because they don’t want to lose seniority and the flow.
02-27-2018, 07:47 PM
#66
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 294
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