Originally Posted by highfarfast

Whisky, sometimes you say things that make me think you’re management. Sometimes you say things that make me think you’ve simply never been a pilot at an airline. This is one of those because it seems like you don’t understand how seniority works.

You need someone JUNIOR to you to move into your base and seat for you to move up the seniority list to hold a line. For an HVA, you will be a junior CA, likely in LGA. The ONLY junior CA to you for about two years will be other HVAs hired after you. The massive amount of FOs hired the previous 2 years are just now starting to meet their qualifications and when they upgrade to captain, they will be senior to every HVA CA because they were hired first. These upgrade FOs hired the last two years that are upgrading to CA are going to replace the guys vacancy bidding out of LGA so, for an HVA CA, the guys vacacny bidding out of LGA are irrelevant.

Now, if you’re talking about an FO with zero qualifiying time hired today, then yeah, the outlook isn’t nearly as bad. I also wonder if you’re mixing info you’re hearing about the FO experience vs the CA experence.

Originally Posted by flysooner9

For one the Endeavor ship has about sailed for the year. Someone who applied today will be lucky to start class by the end of the year.

Originally Posted by Whiskey4

Not management...I am an Envoy pilot who actually likes the place. We’re like unicorns on the forums, but we do exist ;D

The problem I have is squaring up projections and seeming “statements of fact” from pilots vs. management. Either one side is right, or the ball comes down somewhere in the middle. I really want to be able to recommend Envoy, but the conflicting information makes that difficult. I’ve enjoyed my time here (not every minute of it, granted), and I want to be able to provide reasonably accurate information to those who ask me about the airline.

A friend who might qualify for the $45k bonus just received a new info sheet from Envoy. It indicates:
- LGA 145 Captain to start
- Ability to base transfer to ORD, MIA, and DFW in 3, 6, and 12 months respectively
- Approx. 5.5 year flow
- Lays our years 1-7 comp with the $45k and years 5-7 at AA

So, is management literally blowing smoke??? Or is this another Charlie Bucket situation where we all think it’s impossible and then it comes true. Hard to tell I guess...only hindsight will tell the story.

Originally Posted by DanRoman

I’d say that’s probably an exaggeration.

Originally Posted by Whiskey4

Not management...I am an Envoy pilot who actually likes the place. We’re like unicorns on the forums, but we do exist ;D

The problem I have is squaring up projections and seeming “statements of fact” from pilots vs. management. Either one side is right, or the ball comes down somewhere in the middle. I really want to be able to recommend Envoy, but the conflicting information makes that difficult. I’ve enjoyed my time here (not every minute of it, granted), and I want to be able to provide reasonably accurate information to those who ask me about the airline.

A friend who might qualify for the $45k bonus just received a new info sheet from Envoy. It indicates:
- LGA 145 Captain to start
- Ability to base transfer to ORD, MIA, and DFW in 3, 6, and 12 months respectively
- Approx. 5.5 year flow
- Lays our years 1-7 comp with the $45k and years 5-7 at AA

So, is management literally blowing smoke??? Or is this another Charlie Bucket situation where we all think it’s impossible and then it comes true. Hard to tell I guess...only hindsight will tell the story.

Originally Posted by flysooner9

im curious on the whole flow thing, how come nobody is taking into account that likely hundreds of envoy pilots will be hired at DAL, SWA, UAL, FDX, UPS, etc. in the next couple of years. Everyone is basing the flow numbers off EVERYONE staying put and waiting on the flow.

Originally Posted by Sheg0theD

I wonder when we will get some good news.. PSA gets two new bases and increase in flow. PDT gets... well nevermind.. Some good news at ENY is overdue, maybe an explanation as to why we have so many Pilots and so little lines.. especially in LGA and ORD. Maybe attract more captains by raising captain pay. Something has to be brewing!


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Originally Posted by Sheg0theD

I wonder when we will get some good news.. PSA gets two new bases and increase in flow. PDT gets... well nevermind.. Some good news at ENY is overdue, maybe an explanation as to why we have so many Pilots and so little lines.. especially in LGA and ORD. Maybe attract more captains by raising captain pay. Something has to be brewing!


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