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02-15-2018, 04:00 PM

#21

chrisreedrules

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You’re being disingenuous if you’re telling new hires 9.5-10 years. I think 7 years is a reliable number for any new hire at any of the WOs. But I get it... party on!

02-15-2018, 04:18 PM

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Inop2

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

You’re being disingenuous if you’re telling new hires 9.5-10 years. I think 7 years is a reliable number for any new hire at any of the WOs. But I get it... party on!

Please take your argument to ALPA....not APC. They put out the numbers.

02-15-2018, 06:37 PM

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Whiskey4

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Originally Posted by Inop2

Please take your argument to ALPA....not APC. They put out the numbers.

So, point to where ALPA is factoring in attrition on the interactive seniority list you posted. Or is it possible that their simple formula only calculates everyone on the list flowing, and only factors in attrition once someone is phisycally removed from the list on a later update to that list for being released, redesigning, or retiring. Hmmmm...

I’m not a flow cheerleader, but at least make your case (or ALPA’s) with something that isn’t complete fiction. There is no way in hell that everyone on the list today stays until flow. Flow is a retention tool, but plenty of people are still targeting the other legacies, SWA, FedEx, etc.

02-15-2018, 06:46 PM

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bigtime209

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Originally Posted by Whiskey4

The interactive seniority list uses hard data based on contractual flow requirements in calculating everyone's projected flow date. Obviously, there will be an unknown number of attrition. Should the spreadsheet have some kind of formula that pulls a random guess as to what attrition will look like in calculating flow?

02-15-2018, 07:13 PM

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mketch11

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I’ve been here a little over a year. When I was hired my projected flow was 5.95 years. A year later it’s 6.03 years...
What is this attrition you speak of?

02-15-2018, 07:31 PM

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ENH017

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Originally Posted by mketch11

I’ve been here a little over a year. When I was hired my projected flow was 5.95 years. A year later it’s 6.03 years...
What is this attrition you speak of?

Maybe if we say "pilot shortage" and "retirement" enough times we'll flow in 4 years

02-15-2018, 09:06 PM

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highfarfast

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Originally Posted by Whiskey4

While ALPA's formula does not take into account attrition, ALPA's formula also does not take into account months AA does not have new hire classes or take into account months that AA hires so few people that even 25 aren't taken from Envoy. So far, while I've been here, my flow date has moved further out because it's been effected more by such months than attrition. So I look at ALPA's formula as being a bit optimistic. Until I see my flow date change for the better, I don't see any reason to think otherwise.

02-16-2018, 04:15 AM

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TransWorld

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The AA plan is to hire 900 - 950 for the year. This was reconfirmed by someone in the Schoolhouse last week. They slowed down hiring in Feb. due to a month’s backlog for the sims. Full hiring rates should resume, 40 a class.

There is some concern the sims will have to rotate through a 1 month upgrade of software this year. Right now they are suffering growing pains in the Schoolhouse.

Last year’s total actual hires were 645, right in line with their plan.