Morale issues on the line.
01-18-2018, 06:16 PM
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01-18-2018, 06:16 PM
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You new guys are starting to figure it out. The honeymoon is over for you. Welcome to Envoy. For those of you who weren't here between late 2011-2014, you don't know about the all time low morale. Having said that, things are definitely moving backwards here in terms of QOL, compensation amongst our peers and morale. I think we are about to see a rise in FO and junior CA attrition. I do wish the union leadership would engage with the pilot group some more. The upcoming base visits are nice, but obviously only a portion of us will be around for those. All pilot teleconferences are always helpful for the pilot group to get updated on the current state of relations between the company and ALPA, whether or not much is going on.
01-18-2018, 06:19 PM
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LOL. All time low?? You weren't here when we had bad pay and 4-5 year reserve FOs! I can assure you morale isn't an all time low. Are there things that can be fixed yes. Should pay be increased yes. Forced upgrades and displacements are definitely sketchy.
01-18-2018, 06:21 PM
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But the union came up with that really awesome LOA a couple months ago. I am sure they are diligently working on a replacement for that dumpster fire. Then we will all be happy and don't need raises or flow.
01-18-2018, 06:51 PM
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Morale issues on the line.
Those issues were industry wide back then, it was as not just Eagle suffering. Bad pay, long reserve, concessions, Long upgrades. Not the same situation today.
Forgive people for wanting more old timers.
*Many of us avoided the industry until pay rates/bonuses came up* including RTP/military guys. Obviously it’s been a pilot pay shortage. “Enjoy” could be making the same mistakes that lead to the departure of many Line pilots to other carriers, exasperating the shortage, vs taking the lead in changing the culture, contract, pay rates, even bonuses which Endeavor, Republic, Air Wisconsin, and Commutair had done since 2013 / 1500hr rule / FAR117. I do believe Enjoy will do what’s right eventually. Takes time and patience for things to Go up to Mainline and come back down. Especially when there are 2 other WO involved and it’s a Me Too atmosphere. Mainline can not compete with Delta and it’s single WO pilot Group, with our 3 WO much larger Me Too groups all wanting the same pay rate, and better TA/contract like Endeavor now has. Something has to give somewhere in the cost structure of the WO’s before we can get a pay rate like Endeavor.
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01-18-2018, 07:20 PM
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Those issues were industry wide back then, it was as not just Eagle suffering. Bad pay, long reserve, concessions, Long upgrades. Not the same situation today.
Forgive people for wanting more old timers.
*Many of us avoided the industry until pay rates/bonuses came up* including RTP/military guys. Obviously it’s been a pilot pay shortage. “Enjoy” could be making the same mistakes that lead to the departure of many Line pilots to other carriers, exasperating the shortage, vs taking the lead in changing the culture, contract, pay rates, even bonuses which Endeavor, Republic, Air Wisconsin, and Commutair had done since 2013 / 1500hr rule / FAR117. I do believe Enjoy will do what’s right eventually. Takes time and patience for things to Go up to Mainline and come back down. Especially when there are 2 other WO involved and it’s a Me Too atmosphere. Mainline can not compete with Delta and it’s single WO pilot Group, with our 3 WO much larger Me Too groups all wanting the same pay rate, and better TA/contract like Endeavor now has. Something has to give somewhere in the cost structure of the WO’s before we can get a pay rate like Endeavor.
Forgive people for wanting more old timers.
*Many of us avoided the industry until pay rates/bonuses came up* including RTP/military guys. Obviously it’s been a pilot pay shortage. “Enjoy” could be making the same mistakes that lead to the departure of many Line pilots to other carriers, exasperating the shortage, vs taking the lead in changing the culture, contract, pay rates, even bonuses which Endeavor, Republic, Air Wisconsin, and Commutair had done since 2013 / 1500hr rule / FAR117. I do believe Enjoy will do what’s right eventually. Takes time and patience for things to Go up to Mainline and come back down. Especially when there are 2 other WO involved and it’s a Me Too atmosphere. Mainline can not compete with Delta and it’s single WO pilot Group, with our 3 WO much larger Me Too groups all wanting the same pay rate, and better TA/contract like Endeavor now has. Something has to give somewhere in the cost structure of the WO’s before we can get a pay rate like Endeavor.
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