Morale issues on the line.
01-19-2018, 02:59 PM
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I am not saying shut up and take it, I am saying stop b!tching so much, all I here from new hires is how bad things are. Yes things are bad but what I was trying to say is that there was a time when things were a lot worse then they are now, and those that experienced it are the ones you are complaining to. They understand and then some.
What I also think is funny is when people are shocked when things change in this industry from what they were expecting..If anything, change has always existed in aviation and it changes overnight. So having to commute is normal in ones airline career.
Also so many complain but do nothing about it, they continue to not understand the contract, make scheduling adhere to it, continue to help the company by going above and beyond etc.
What I also think is funny is when people are shocked when things change in this industry from what they were expecting..If anything, change has always existed in aviation and it changes overnight. So having to commute is normal in ones airline career.
Also so many complain but do nothing about it, they continue to not understand the contract, make scheduling adhere to it, continue to help the company by going above and beyond etc.
01-19-2018, 03:04 PM
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The 2010 hires will be (hopefully) done 3rd quarter of 2019 (9 year flow). There were a lot of 2011 hires and it will take until mid-2020 to get through them (8.5-9 year flow). In 2021 it will drop to around 6.5 years - the 2012/13 hires will go quickly and we will be into the 2014 hires.
So yes, it will drop, but it will be 2021 before it really begins to start dropping.
So yes, it will drop, but it will be 2021 before it really begins to start dropping.
01-19-2018, 03:09 PM
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The 2010 hires will be (hopefully) done 3rd quarter of 2019 (9 year flow). There were a lot of 2011 hires and it will take until mid-2020 to get through them (8.5-9 year flow). In 2021 it will drop to around 6.5 years - the 2012/13 hires will go quickly and we will be into the 2014 hires.
So yes, it will drop, but it will be 2021 before it really begins to start dropping.
So yes, it will drop, but it will be 2021 before it really begins to start dropping.
01-19-2018, 03:28 PM
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01-19-2018, 04:15 PM
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The new normal. Real value presented to you by UAL, AA, DAL, and ALPA. GMAFB.
Thanks.
01-19-2018, 06:35 PM
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I thought you guys were against "negotiating in public" but I've been seeing a lot of it on here.
Suddenly just because Endeavor gives pay raises, everybody here thinks they are immediately entitles as well. You have to remember the value of what we do have that Endeavor does not. Flow.
Suddenly just because Endeavor gives pay raises, everybody here thinks they are immediately entitles as well. You have to remember the value of what we do have that Endeavor does not. Flow.
The world changed when endeavor changed their pay. Knife cuts both ways.
01-19-2018, 07:28 PM
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Honestly I think it's bordering on a safety issue. You're taking a guy that came from flight instructing on a Cessna with the bare minimum of multi time, he gets FO 175 DFW, and then force him to upgrade at the bare minimum of 1,000 hours (when he was able to hold a line almost instantly, meaning that 1,000 hours came real quick) into different, worse equipment (145) in a domicile he's never even flown through (LGA), and guaranteed to be paired with a new hire FO that knows nothing. To me it's crazy. Hope that poor guy pays attention in training...
01-19-2018, 07:40 PM
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Honestly I think it's bordering on a safety issue. You're taking a guy that came from flight instructing on a Cessna with the bare minimum of multi time, he gets FO 175 DFW, and then force him to upgrade at the bare minimum of 1,000 hours (when he was able to hold a line almost instantly, meaning that 1,000 hours came real quick) into different, worse equipment (145) in a domicile he's never even flown through (LGA), and guaranteed to be paired with a new hire FO that knows nothing. To me it's crazy. Hope that poor guy pays attention in training...
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