Endeavor and Republic?
12-29-2015, 06:09 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 196
I'm a 2015 hire that got a line on the 200 after 2 months of reserve. Currently holding 15-16 days off. I usually pick up 1 or 2 additional days a month and now at 150% it is very nice. I had Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve and Christmas off.
I've done nothing special to be where I'm at. To say that qol is not good here is just not true, this is good as it gets for regional Fo.
I've done nothing special to be where I'm at. To say that qol is not good here is just not true, this is good as it gets for regional Fo.
Why did you choose 200 over 900?
How many in class? Many washout?
Thanks
12-29-2015, 06:55 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 288
I'm a 2015 hire that got a line on the 200 after 2 months of reserve. Currently holding 15-16 days off. I usually pick up 1 or 2 additional days a month and now at 150% it is very nice. I had Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve and Christmas off.
I've done nothing special to be where I'm at. To say that qol is not good here is just not true, this is good as it gets for regional Fo.
I've done nothing special to be where I'm at. To say that qol is not good here is just not true, this is good as it gets for regional Fo.
12-29-2015, 08:32 PM
#33
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,915
It might have something to do with the fact that the new RAH pilot contract is possibly unsustainable between new labor costs vs. what mainline partners pay RAH for the feed. I had heard RAH management has gone to it's mainline partners to try and renegotiate higher payouts for the feed to help pay for the new contract that is designed to bring in pilots to solve their staffing issues. Now since 9E is involved in this thread I'll recount what happened to them. Feb 2011 9E gets a new JCBA that is above average at the time in terms of pay and work rules. Nov-Dec 2011 the 9E CEO at the time asks mainline partners for more money to support high labor costs supposedly from the new JCBA. Mainlines say no. April 2012, 9E enters Chpt 11 and later gets hit with a horrible concessionary contract (though it could have been worse). Delta buys what's left for pennies on the dollar and turns it into todays Endeavor after a good 2 years plus of pain and uncertainty for it's employees.
See the potential correlatives between the two carriers? I am not saying RAH will go Chpt 11, but the possibility is there. If they do, then what? Junior pilots bail, they shrink, park airplanes just like 9E. Question then would be if any mainline partner buys what's left of them to fix them like Delta did 9E? RAH plays with all the big 3 airlines so WORST case no one bails em out and the place implodes followed by its doors being shuttered.
To conclude, RAH is a perceived risk and that's why people say to avoid the place. This industry, as we know, can change rapidly. Based on today's info (and I may be biased being a 9E employee), but between the two trying to put bias aside, 9E is the safer option. We've been through the pain and turmoil of this regional consolidation already. For RAH, it could just be the beginning. Good luck with your choice.
See the potential correlatives between the two carriers? I am not saying RAH will go Chpt 11, but the possibility is there. If they do, then what? Junior pilots bail, they shrink, park airplanes just like 9E. Question then would be if any mainline partner buys what's left of them to fix them like Delta did 9E? RAH plays with all the big 3 airlines so WORST case no one bails em out and the place implodes followed by its doors being shuttered.
To conclude, RAH is a perceived risk and that's why people say to avoid the place. This industry, as we know, can change rapidly. Based on today's info (and I may be biased being a 9E employee), but between the two trying to put bias aside, 9E is the safer option. We've been through the pain and turmoil of this regional consolidation already. For RAH, it could just be the beginning. Good luck with your choice.
12-30-2015, 01:11 AM
#34
On Reserve
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: E170 FO
Posts: 10
Here is some truth from a guy that has worked at both RJET and 9E. It's a bit lengthy so I apologize.
Depending on which base you bid during INDOC at RJET (or where they decide to put you), you may never see reserve. I am LGA based until March and I am on a line right now. I will be on reserve in March but my base will be where I live at that point, so I will be home during reserve. This will (hopefully) only last about 3-6mos, as it is a bit more senior...but I am not commuting to get home so it doesn't bother me either way.
Avg flight times at RJET are 80-90+hrs per month. Flying over 87 hours is paid 125%. Most guys I know are running avg of 99.5hrs/month. 100% cancellation and "time out" pay.
Uniforms, luggage and lunch bags. are 100% paid for by RJET. Ipad's for EFBs.
RJET: $40x99.5hrs (including 12.5hrs of 125% pay but not including per diem ($1.95dom/$2.50intl) or open time trips picked up)=$4105/mo. or $49,260/1st yr. Add in your $7500 sign on bonus and you are making $56,760/1st yr. That's way better than any other place you will find right now.
So, RJET:
1st/yr pay= $56,760
2nd/yr pay= $50,491
3rd/yr pay= $53,225
3yr total pay out= $150,476
Training at RJET is 2wks indoc, 12days systems, 3 days GFS/SIT, then 8 sim sessions, check ride, and loft. I was in there for 1.5 mos. Also, due to the influx of new hires at RJET, your time between check ride and IOE has avg'd 2-5wks. My ride at RJET was middle of Dec and IOE ride(s) in the latter part January 2016....I'm not complaining!
9E training was longer but the instructors were thorough and very well educated in what they tought. Evan made Indoc fun. Gen Subs guy was leaving for Delta so he was kind of "not at 9E anymore". Dan, the systems instructor I had was a lot of fun. The sim instructors were all great to learn from and fly with. I started class with 9E on 5/11/2015 and took my check ride on 7/8/2015 with IOE commencing 4 days after that.
9E 3 year avg pay out (based on APC)
1st/yr=$44,250.
2nd yr= $46,950.
3rd yr= $50,550.
3yr total pay out= $141750.
***9E says on APC that the bonuses will be taxed at 25% flat. So your $23,000 bonuses will actually be $17,250 cash money.***
My sign on bonus w/ RJET after taxes was $6880. My sign on with 9E after being prorated and taxed was $3700.
In summary, it is a great time to be a pilot and with this in mind, choose an airline that you want. Choose a place that does for you what you need/want it to do.
I left 9E for RJET to improve my position and QOL. RJET had domicile choices, little/no reserve time, EFB's, best hourly pay in the regionals, and bigger equipment (call it shiny jet syndrome or whatever, I don't care). I don't hit my head in the cockpit and that improves my QOL
Depending on which base you bid during INDOC at RJET (or where they decide to put you), you may never see reserve. I am LGA based until March and I am on a line right now. I will be on reserve in March but my base will be where I live at that point, so I will be home during reserve. This will (hopefully) only last about 3-6mos, as it is a bit more senior...but I am not commuting to get home so it doesn't bother me either way.
Avg flight times at RJET are 80-90+hrs per month. Flying over 87 hours is paid 125%. Most guys I know are running avg of 99.5hrs/month. 100% cancellation and "time out" pay.
Uniforms, luggage and lunch bags. are 100% paid for by RJET. Ipad's for EFBs.
RJET: $40x99.5hrs (including 12.5hrs of 125% pay but not including per diem ($1.95dom/$2.50intl) or open time trips picked up)=$4105/mo. or $49,260/1st yr. Add in your $7500 sign on bonus and you are making $56,760/1st yr. That's way better than any other place you will find right now.
So, RJET:
1st/yr pay= $56,760
2nd/yr pay= $50,491
3rd/yr pay= $53,225
3yr total pay out= $150,476
Training at RJET is 2wks indoc, 12days systems, 3 days GFS/SIT, then 8 sim sessions, check ride, and loft. I was in there for 1.5 mos. Also, due to the influx of new hires at RJET, your time between check ride and IOE has avg'd 2-5wks. My ride at RJET was middle of Dec and IOE ride(s) in the latter part January 2016....I'm not complaining!
9E training was longer but the instructors were thorough and very well educated in what they tought. Evan made Indoc fun. Gen Subs guy was leaving for Delta so he was kind of "not at 9E anymore". Dan, the systems instructor I had was a lot of fun. The sim instructors were all great to learn from and fly with. I started class with 9E on 5/11/2015 and took my check ride on 7/8/2015 with IOE commencing 4 days after that.
9E 3 year avg pay out (based on APC)
1st/yr=$44,250.
2nd yr= $46,950.
3rd yr= $50,550.
3yr total pay out= $141750.
***9E says on APC that the bonuses will be taxed at 25% flat. So your $23,000 bonuses will actually be $17,250 cash money.***
My sign on bonus w/ RJET after taxes was $6880. My sign on with 9E after being prorated and taxed was $3700.
In summary, it is a great time to be a pilot and with this in mind, choose an airline that you want. Choose a place that does for you what you need/want it to do.
I left 9E for RJET to improve my position and QOL. RJET had domicile choices, little/no reserve time, EFB's, best hourly pay in the regionals, and bigger equipment (call it shiny jet syndrome or whatever, I don't care). I don't hit my head in the cockpit and that improves my QOL
12-30-2015, 04:30 AM
#35
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 465
Here is some truth from a guy that has worked at both RJET and 9E. It's a bit lengthy so I apologize.
Depending on which base you bid during INDOC at RJET (or where they decide to put you), you may never see reserve. I am LGA based until March and I am on a line right now. I will be on reserve in March but my base will be where I live at that point, so I will be home during reserve. This will (hopefully) only last about 3-6mos, as it is a bit more senior...but I am not commuting to get home so it doesn't bother me either way.
Avg flight times at RJET are 80-90+hrs per month. Flying over 87 hours is paid 125%. Most guys I know are running avg of 99.5hrs/month. 100% cancellation and "time out" pay.
Uniforms, luggage and lunch bags. are 100% paid for by RJET. Ipad's for EFBs.
RJET: $40x99.5hrs (including 12.5hrs of 125% pay but not including per diem ($1.95dom/$2.50intl) or open time trips picked up)=$4105/mo. or $49,260/1st yr. Add in your $7500 sign on bonus and you are making $56,760/1st yr. That's way better than any other place you will find right now.
So, RJET:
1st/yr pay= $56,760
2nd/yr pay= $50,491
3rd/yr pay= $53,225
3yr total pay out= $150,476
Training at RJET is 2wks indoc, 12days systems, 3 days GFS/SIT, then 8 sim sessions, check ride, and loft. I was in there for 1.5 mos. Also, due to the influx of new hires at RJET, your time between check ride and IOE has avg'd 2-5wks. My ride at RJET was middle of Dec and IOE ride(s) in the latter part January 2016....I'm not complaining!
9E training was longer but the instructors were thorough and very well educated in what they tought. Evan made Indoc fun. Gen Subs guy was leaving for Delta so he was kind of "not at 9E anymore". Dan, the systems instructor I had was a lot of fun. The sim instructors were all great to learn from and fly with. I started class with 9E on 5/11/2015 and took my check ride on 7/8/2015 with IOE commencing 4 days after that.
9E 3 year avg pay out (based on APC)
1st/yr=$44,250.
2nd yr= $46,950.
3rd yr= $50,550.
3yr total pay out= $141750.
***9E says on APC that the bonuses will be taxed at 25% flat. So your $23,000 bonuses will actually be $17,250 cash money.***
My sign on bonus w/ RJET after taxes was $6880. My sign on with 9E after being prorated and taxed was $3700.
In summary, it is a great time to be a pilot and with this in mind, choose an airline that you want. Choose a place that does for you what you need/want it to do.
I left 9E for RJET to improve my position and QOL. RJET had domicile choices, little/no reserve time, EFB's, best hourly pay in the regionals, and bigger equipment (call it shiny jet syndrome or whatever, I don't care). I don't hit my head in the cockpit and that improves my QOL
Depending on which base you bid during INDOC at RJET (or where they decide to put you), you may never see reserve. I am LGA based until March and I am on a line right now. I will be on reserve in March but my base will be where I live at that point, so I will be home during reserve. This will (hopefully) only last about 3-6mos, as it is a bit more senior...but I am not commuting to get home so it doesn't bother me either way.
Avg flight times at RJET are 80-90+hrs per month. Flying over 87 hours is paid 125%. Most guys I know are running avg of 99.5hrs/month. 100% cancellation and "time out" pay.
Uniforms, luggage and lunch bags. are 100% paid for by RJET. Ipad's for EFBs.
RJET: $40x99.5hrs (including 12.5hrs of 125% pay but not including per diem ($1.95dom/$2.50intl) or open time trips picked up)=$4105/mo. or $49,260/1st yr. Add in your $7500 sign on bonus and you are making $56,760/1st yr. That's way better than any other place you will find right now.
So, RJET:
1st/yr pay= $56,760
2nd/yr pay= $50,491
3rd/yr pay= $53,225
3yr total pay out= $150,476
Training at RJET is 2wks indoc, 12days systems, 3 days GFS/SIT, then 8 sim sessions, check ride, and loft. I was in there for 1.5 mos. Also, due to the influx of new hires at RJET, your time between check ride and IOE has avg'd 2-5wks. My ride at RJET was middle of Dec and IOE ride(s) in the latter part January 2016....I'm not complaining!
9E training was longer but the instructors were thorough and very well educated in what they tought. Evan made Indoc fun. Gen Subs guy was leaving for Delta so he was kind of "not at 9E anymore". Dan, the systems instructor I had was a lot of fun. The sim instructors were all great to learn from and fly with. I started class with 9E on 5/11/2015 and took my check ride on 7/8/2015 with IOE commencing 4 days after that.
9E 3 year avg pay out (based on APC)
1st/yr=$44,250.
2nd yr= $46,950.
3rd yr= $50,550.
3yr total pay out= $141750.
***9E says on APC that the bonuses will be taxed at 25% flat. So your $23,000 bonuses will actually be $17,250 cash money.***
My sign on bonus w/ RJET after taxes was $6880. My sign on with 9E after being prorated and taxed was $3700.
In summary, it is a great time to be a pilot and with this in mind, choose an airline that you want. Choose a place that does for you what you need/want it to do.
I left 9E for RJET to improve my position and QOL. RJET had domicile choices, little/no reserve time, EFB's, best hourly pay in the regionals, and bigger equipment (call it shiny jet syndrome or whatever, I don't care). I don't hit my head in the cockpit and that improves my QOL
12-30-2015, 05:04 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CR9 CA, FT Minivan Driver
Posts: 452
Sounds good. Hopefully Republic stays out of bankruptcy so you can continue to enjoy it. Your comparison does not include the recent increase in pay for 1st year 9e pilots to $30 and increase in bonus to $23k. Also, tax rates should not factor into it. Your tax rate is whatever it is, the bonus has 25% withheld, but at the time of filing is taxed at whatever your rate is. If it's under 25% then you get that back, if it's over then you pay more. Same as any income.
For HTW, the jump to RJET worked out - for now. Given the financial crisis that company appears to be in, there's no guarantee they'll be able to continue to fund this bubble they've inflated for their pilots. It's not like their rates have increased, and unless Bedford has decided not to take a salary this year, could be tight.
12-30-2015, 05:54 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: FIRE ALPA
Posts: 3,097
Correct. And if we're going off average flying, I'm told 9E pilots get about 10% above guarantee, so ratchet the $50k first year up to nearly $53k Y1-55.67k Y2 - 59.63k Y3 ($168,300 over the first three years). You can adjust the numbers all you want, it all comes down to personal preference. 9E covers a lot of RJET flying on the East Coast, so until RJET gets things figured out, this average number will likely be higher for 9E pilots.
For HTW, the jump to RJET worked out - for now. Given the financial crisis that company appears to be in, there's no guarantee they'll be able to continue to fund this bubble they've inflated for their pilots. It's not like their rates have increased, and unless Bedford has decided not to take a salary this year, could be tight.
For HTW, the jump to RJET worked out - for now. Given the financial crisis that company appears to be in, there's no guarantee they'll be able to continue to fund this bubble they've inflated for their pilots. It's not like their rates have increased, and unless Bedford has decided not to take a salary this year, could be tight.
12-30-2015, 06:05 AM
#38
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 318
Actually, the biggest issue was withholding money due for training related activity, which 9E thought they were entitled to from Delta, but the reality was 9E was shutting down the Colgan US Airways flying (eg, Boston Saabs, etc) to get the bodies over to the desperate side of United Express. Delta scratched their heads and thought why would we pay to close US Airways Express and expand United Express? They have no business in that and withheld training-related reimbursement. That really put a hurt into 9E and was one of the things that led to the losses leading to BK.
12-30-2015, 09:09 AM
#40
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,303
It is hard to take anything serious from someone who doesn't understand how bonsus are taxed. Or when you place such a high importance on the plane you fly or failing to mention how you could be double leg commuting to an outbase in two months.
