Endeavor pilot progression
08-06-2015, 05:56 PM
#41
Da Hudge
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Same with the piles of CRJ200's coming from the desert...
It appears you prefer to be fed bad info without challenge from someone with insight?
08-06-2015, 06:34 PM
#42
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I'm just curious if you were still at 9E when this program was sold to us?
I have no desire to go to DAL, and even I was under the impression that it was going to be a "hey you seem like an agreeable guy with a good history, welcome aboard". Not the 50/50 rate we have.
And I agree that some of the biggest prikks we have on property have been hired at Delta, while some of the best mentor captains I've flown with were shown the door.
I have no desire to go to DAL, and even I was under the impression that it was going to be a "hey you seem like an agreeable guy with a good history, welcome aboard". Not the 50/50 rate we have.
And I agree that some of the biggest prikks we have on property have been hired at Delta, while some of the best mentor captains I've flown with were shown the door.
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08-06-2015, 07:47 PM
#43
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Not sure if the videos are still around, but if you can find any of the ALPA roadshows, you will find where this was sold as a handshake and a job interview. The MEC was specifically questioned in DTW why there was no ratio or minimum hire amount per interview group or anything else to guarantee we wouldn't all be interviewed in one month and be done with the program. The response was " we sat at the table with them, we don't feel it is Delta's intent to just burn through the list and be done with the program as soon as possible"
I'd already made up my mind seeing FO pay, but this should have been a huge red flag to everyone thinking we had a PSA style deal to vote no.
I'd already made up my mind seeing FO pay, but this should have been a huge red flag to everyone thinking we had a PSA style deal to vote no.
08-06-2015, 08:01 PM
#44
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Not sure if the videos are still around, but if you can find any of the ALPA roadshows, you will find where this was sold as a handshake and a job interview. The MEC was specifically questioned in DTW why there was no ratio or minimum hire amount per interview group or anything else to guarantee we wouldn't all be interviewed in one month and be done with the program. The response was " we sat at the table with them, we don't feel it is Delta's intent to just burn through the list and be done with the program as soon as possible"
I'd already made up my mind seeing FO pay, but this should have been a huge red flag to everyone thinking we had a PSA style deal to vote no.
I'd already made up my mind seeing FO pay, but this should have been a huge red flag to everyone thinking we had a PSA style deal to vote no.
08-06-2015, 08:32 PM
#45
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Nope! In fact it almost ended because of pilot's procrastination (or lack of interest) not Delta's intent to blow through the list. All you hear is bitterness. Life isn't fair so get over it and move on. EVERYONE is hiring, not just Delta. Every "good guy" I know that got turned down by Delta is now at United (or some other major).
08-08-2015, 07:48 PM
#46
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Looking at the Union email from last night Aug 7 we have 58 new hires flying the line as of Aug 1st. We have had 181 pilots quit so far this year as of the end of July. No wonder why all the reserves are working their tales off!
Those rumored 200's will be coming back fast and furious with those numbers. Won't even have crews to fly the two that are coming back for September lol!
According to my math up through the end of July and not counting the August new hire class of 31 since I don't know what August attrition will be we are -33 pilots for the year at the end of July (actually showed up for class, still on the seniority list vs attrition).
Those rumored 200's will be coming back fast and furious with those numbers. Won't even have crews to fly the two that are coming back for September lol!
According to my math up through the end of July and not counting the August new hire class of 31 since I don't know what August attrition will be we are -33 pilots for the year at the end of July (actually showed up for class, still on the seniority list vs attrition).
08-09-2015, 04:36 AM
#47
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Not exactly, however, they certainly didn't take anywhere near the amount of captains that the union was advertising. So in a sense, they did just burn their way through the list. Delta set the program up knowing full well they had no intention of taking many of our pilots, that's part of why the first thing they did was cancel the flow through NWA had set up. Why didn't they want so many of our pilots? You'll have to find a way to get that answer out of Delta (good luck with that).
Look at it this way, what is the difference between Endeavor and PSA? Why does American see fit to hire almost everyone (99%) from PSA yet Delta only takes about 50% from Endeavor? Are we supposed to believe PSA only hired the direct descendants of Orville and Wilbur and Endeavor found a bunch of bums at Walmart?
Look at it this way, what is the difference between Endeavor and PSA? Why does American see fit to hire almost everyone (99%) from PSA yet Delta only takes about 50% from Endeavor? Are we supposed to believe PSA only hired the direct descendants of Orville and Wilbur and Endeavor found a bunch of bums at Walmart?
08-09-2015, 05:06 AM
#48
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Looking at the Union email from last night Aug 7 we have 58 new hires flying the line as of Aug 1st. We have had 181 pilots quit so far this year as of the end of July. No wonder why all the reserves are working their tales off!
Those rumored 200's will be coming back fast and furious with those numbers. Won't even have crews to fly the two that are coming back for September lol!
According to my math up through the end of July and not counting the August new hire class of 31 since I don't know what August attrition will be we are -33 pilots for the year at the end of July (actually showed up for class, still on the seniority list vs attrition).
Those rumored 200's will be coming back fast and furious with those numbers. Won't even have crews to fly the two that are coming back for September lol!
According to my math up through the end of July and not counting the August new hire class of 31 since I don't know what August attrition will be we are -33 pilots for the year at the end of July (actually showed up for class, still on the seniority list vs attrition).
08-09-2015, 05:28 AM
#49
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Delta set the program up knowing full well they had no intention of taking many of our pilots, that's part of why the first thing they did was cancel the flow through NWA had set up. Why didn't they want so many of our pilots? You'll have to find a way to get that answer out of Delta (good luck with that).
08-09-2015, 09:39 AM
#50
Da Hudge
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Not exactly, however, they certainly didn't take anywhere near the amount of captains that the union was advertising. So in a sense, they did just burn their way through the list. Delta set the program up knowing full well they had no intention of taking many of our pilots, that's part of why the first thing they did was cancel the flow through NWA had set up. Why didn't they want so many of our pilots? You'll have to find a way to get that answer out of Delta (good luck with that).
Look at it this way, what is the difference between Endeavor and PSA? Why does American see fit to hire almost everyone (99%) from PSA yet Delta only takes about 50% from Endeavor? Are we supposed to believe PSA only hired the direct descendants of Orville and Wilbur and Endeavor found a bunch of bums at Walmart?
Look at it this way, what is the difference between Endeavor and PSA? Why does American see fit to hire almost everyone (99%) from PSA yet Delta only takes about 50% from Endeavor? Are we supposed to believe PSA only hired the direct descendants of Orville and Wilbur and Endeavor found a bunch of bums at Walmart?
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