SmitteyB

Why are you trolling an Endeavor thread? Move along.

TalkTurkey

Woe, talk about that time of the month. Easy there captain happy. I suggest you dwell on keeping happy at your regional legacy in order to keep your temperament low.

Mach Indicator

What does the current time frame look like to upgrade to CA at Endeavor?

VoiceOfReason

Honestly, I'm told forecasts call anywhere between 28-36 months. With the new guaranteed interview program to Delta, you could be interviewing for a mainline gig in 4.5-5 years. Factor in the 20k retention payments, seems like the most financially sound plan for someone willing to work hard and focus on the next step.

Ray Red

The are a few X factors that go into the equation. Two of the largest are the number of senior FOs the have CJO's with Delta and are going to bypass upgrade and the number of pilots leaving to other airlines.

I think the above estimate of 2.5-3 years is as accurate as you are going to get.

slowyourroll

FO's with the better part of a decade of 121 ops under their belt paired with a 2 year CA. Too funny.

higney85

If the last 7 months holds to continue, that's the disclaimer, a NH will hold a line in 6 months on property. 3 in training, 3 on a mix of reserve/CDO/CNO, then a line. 2-2.5 years to a CA spot if willing to go to first available slot. 3 years for a specific base/equip. I've done only 1 new hire PBS class session and was grilled on "when will I hold a line". Ran quick numbers, said 3 months post training by my assumptions/math, he has a line in August. (3 months). He called me to apologize for being so pessimistic.

Until the Bloch award expires (June 16,2016) upgrades are a bit skewed. By ssp CJO numbers, the premerger XJ list is almost exhausted (1300-ish ISL) in the next 6 months. On the pre merger 9E side, 200 upgrades basically follow seniority order by ISL with an occasional XJ guy. I'm the plug on 15-03 and it's mostly pinnacle folks on the list for a while. The XJ folks mixed in either are 900 Ca, occasional 200ca, or not wanting to upgrade until a certain base/seat is available. Fwiw it's well into the FO list from the Bloch award from upgrades.

Regardless of how you feel about the Bloch award, heck I was already a CA for a while and showed up as an FO on the isl, it will not only end in June but also allow seniority back into the equation. It took 5 years for initial upgrade, with street CA's as a new hire, then a BK and merger. So yea, 9 years and back to CA, but you can't use that as a current number. Plan on 3 years, another $60k in retention bonuses, and bring your friends @ $2K a pop.

I've talked to many FO's who have CJO's and will leave next yearto DL. They won't upgrade by choice. Vacancy 15-04 is out right now and should wipe out all LOA 50 FO's. After that upgrades will get interesting (meaning junior). Once Bloch expires it'll be even more interesting as the SSP (full) program will likely be done and guys awaiting class will hang as FO's and ussp and dgi folks work for the 2 year CA requirement if they want DL.

But that's just my take.

Mesabah

Delta's plans for Endeavor do not involve flow, or staple. Look at the last TA, Delta is trying to outsource more flying. We will be Delta's ab-initio playground, that's where this is headed. Delta is trying to get the FAA to allow a further restricted ATP, so they can get at 300 hour college grads. You will interview with Delta, get hired by them right out of college, go to Endeavor for 5+ years to be vetted, then move to Delta.

Nantonaku

Isn't that essentially a flow, hire people and meter them to Delta? That is as close as they are going to get, either roll the dice at Endeavor for 6 years if you want to go to Delta or get the quick upgrade somewhere else and hope you can get a call in the next 3 years off the street. I think they will sweeten the deal eventually here but still it is a gamble. The whole industry is a gamble, all you can do is go somewhere and cross your fingers.

Mesabah

There are a couple hundred people holding CJO's they will sue if the get put behind a flow, ALPA politically can't make it happen. A staple isn't going to happen either, Delta is trying to get more RJ's, and DCI is way to profitable to shut it down.