Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
12-21-2016, 05:00 PM
#9422
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Yeah, he stays here as CEO till he can hold Captain somewhere in the Delta system. If you look at the new pilot compensation package at Delta, it is better than any job here, including CEO.
12-21-2016, 05:06 PM
#9423
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12-21-2016, 05:13 PM
#9424
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Bigger aspirations than that.
12-21-2016, 07:10 PM
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12-22-2016, 12:33 AM
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12-22-2016, 06:30 AM
#9429
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What in the stupid bag of stupid is this? The God damn money aint going to be a 25 bucks an hour. The bonus is amount x. That amount doesn't get matched into your damn 401k, it doesn't pay out on your sick time or your vacation time. If you ever stay here long enough for 3 weeks worth of vacation (or to sell it back when you bail out for delta or whoever) that's paid work your not doing and it ain't free.
If you want to continue the bonus then tell them that. The company and Delta doesn't care how we get the money, and if you don't want any more money in your 401k or so when pick up at 150 or 200 it isnt worth comicly more, fine! But this has been explained ad nauseum on this and every board and in classes. The pay rates will not go up by 25.56 because thats a payraise after you're done with all the benefits.
Company wants to transfer the damn money into pay rates. If you want pay rates with no benefits, fine. Just say to your reps " just extend the bonus, make it easy on everyone, and in the future dont worry about my 401k or anything". If you want to change the money into rates so you and most pilots will make more, then your hourly rate goes up by less than 25.56 because your pay is MORE than what's on your paycheck.
Im out of here soon, and I care less every day about how badly you want to screw yourself. However, take the rates, it helps you with everything, and the 401k multiplies by compound interest. There is no pension, the 401k is all you got to retire with.
If you want to continue the bonus then tell them that. The company and Delta doesn't care how we get the money, and if you don't want any more money in your 401k or so when pick up at 150 or 200 it isnt worth comicly more, fine! But this has been explained ad nauseum on this and every board and in classes. The pay rates will not go up by 25.56 because thats a payraise after you're done with all the benefits.
Company wants to transfer the damn money into pay rates. If you want pay rates with no benefits, fine. Just say to your reps " just extend the bonus, make it easy on everyone, and in the future dont worry about my 401k or anything". If you want to change the money into rates so you and most pilots will make more, then your hourly rate goes up by less than 25.56 because your pay is MORE than what's on your paycheck.
Im out of here soon, and I care less every day about how badly you want to screw yourself. However, take the rates, it helps you with everything, and the 401k multiplies by compound interest. There is no pension, the 401k is all you got to retire with.
Ok first of all, I've been here plenty long enough to have three weeks of vacation. Second of all, I think you meant "you're". Third, the grammar, ohhhh it hurtses it hurtses! Fourth, I'm out of here soon as well but I want the best for those that come after me. Fifth, I am not stupid and am well aware of every point you are attempting to make. The reality is that there are many of us whom only make guarantee each month or a little over and for a whole host of reasons are not interested in whoring open time. For those of us, yes it would translate to a reduction in real takehome pay. That may not bother you but I assure you it would not play well with recruiting when they try to explain that under the new pay rates a new hire FO on reserve will take home less annually then when we had the bonuses. I DO like the bonus system and have conveyed to my representatives that I'd like to see them extended into perpetuity. As with any negotiation, it's a question of whom has more leverage now and whom will gain it in the future. Currently on a micro level, we don't have a ton of leverage as they are filling classes after uping the signing bonus, Air Whiskey having problems, and getting people that didn't want to start right before the holidays. So it's no wonder the company wants to get this done right now. Their leverage will decline precipitously as those factors play out and as the bonus sunset looms closer. Assuming Trump hasn't tanked the economy or the industry by then (albeit maybe not a good assumption), our leverage will grow tremendously. I see no reason to settle for less than $25.56 additional accross every position, every longevity. If they try for less and we vote it down, just wait a bit and try again, just like the Delta C2015.
12-22-2016, 07:44 AM
#9430
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I dont know that $25.56 is a deal breaker for me but it should be close.
The great unknown is if it's a flat amount across the board or if they do percentages. If its the latter then there may be some robbing peter to pay paul. Past precedent dictates that we won't all fare the same.
The great unknown is if it's a flat amount across the board or if they do percentages. If its the latter then there may be some robbing peter to pay paul. Past precedent dictates that we won't all fare the same.
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