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12-03-2016, 10:32 PM

#8851

seminolepilot

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Originally Posted by HighFlight

Relatively few flights I have been on have the AP on at 600'. But safety folks say yn the 200, about 6% of all flight time is accomplished without the AP on. On the 900, that drops to about 3-4%. Not a huge amount of hand flying, by any means.

I usually handfly for a little bit unless it's early in the morning or a really short flight. Then George is driving at 600'. I haven't flown with anyone that has a issue flying the airplane.

12-03-2016, 10:48 PM

#8852

HighFlight

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Try doing a LAN turn raw data. It's quite refreshing!

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Originally Posted by seminolepilot

I usually handfly for a little bit unless it's early in the morning or a really short flight. Then George is driving at 600'. I haven't flown with anyone that has a issue flying the airplane.

12-04-2016, 05:40 AM

#8853

DasSchwerin

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I will say for myself I haven't once turned the autopilot on at 600' since I started here over a year ago. Captains seem to do it 50/50 in my opinion.

12-04-2016, 05:53 AM

#8854

AnotherWriter

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Originally Posted by DasSchwerin

I will say for myself I haven't once turned the autopilot on at 600' since I started here over a year ago. Captains seem to do it 50/50 in my opinion.

Unless it's NYC. I had one really rough departure out of there when I was first starting out... the 'ol Whitestone off 13 and because I was handflying we got really, concerningly far, behind the aircraft. Bad CRM, too much workload. It's just safer to use George in NY. Besides, we get to practice the handflying on the Expressway every other day.

I'm happy to see people in this thread talking about actually handflying though.

12-04-2016, 06:36 AM

#8855

mooney

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Originally Posted by HighFlight

If it takes me 6 years to move up in this environment, I should be driving a truck instead. The stagnation folks faced the last 10-15 years is gone.

Many said the same thing in 2000. 2005. 2008. Id put more money on Ms Cleo (rip) giving me winning powerball numbers than predicting absolutes in this industry.

12-04-2016, 07:08 AM

#8856

greenroute

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The whitestone climb is just a turn to the right then a turn to the left. People need the autopilot to accomplish that?

12-04-2016, 07:25 AM

#8857

AnotherWriter

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Originally Posted by greenroute

The whitestone climb is just a turn to the right then a turn to the left. People need the autopilot to accomplish that?

It's not the flying if the airplane, it's the spinning dials, frequency change, configuration changes, and checklists which kinda amp up the workload.

12-04-2016, 07:27 AM

#8858

TalkTurkey

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Originally Posted by greenroute

The whitestone climb is just a turn to the right then a turn to the left. People need the autopilot to accomplish that?

The only thing needed is CRM. Both pilots should know the plan and then execute that shizz.

12-04-2016, 07:29 AM

#8859

JesuitValen

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For once I'd like to see guys kick auto off down through 180- if not in ny- if hand flying is that important to you. Nothing less impressive than flying it up to 10k at this point. Which if that's your bag (baby), fine. But hand flying up to 10 and auto off at flaps 45 on speed is pedestrian. Switch it up or something.

By all means everyone, we need more asaps out of our two ny airports for the same four screwups over and over again.

12-04-2016, 07:29 AM

#8860

TalkTurkey

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Originally Posted by AnotherWriter

It's not the flying if the airplane, it's the spinning dials, frequency change, configuration changes, and checklists which kinda amp up the workload.

One can also eliminate the high workload by staying below 200knots until heading 040. No config changes until on that heading then knock all that stuff out. That makes it way easier.