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12-02-2016, 07:08 AM
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Still to this day I am shocked the union never realized the wording in the SSP. Delta would take 144 ( 12/month avg ) or x % of newhires last year. They adjusted their newhire requirements down slightly late last summer ( or early fall ) last year, which caused the number they were required to bring into class down to the 130 something. I seem to remember the union was caught off guard by that. Stay positive guys and gals. Wishing all happy Holidays as I cough my guts up.
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12-02-2016, 07:24 AM
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LOL there is no way on earth the LCC's would be able to shop the DL menu and take whatever they wanted as a penalty for DL bringing flying back in house. The absolute worse that could ever happen would be a limited divesture (and even then probably just an auction) and the legacy airlines would end up with most of what they had anyway. Even if there was a forced divesture with no opportunity to be the high bidder, AA, SW and UA would also be able to get some, and when they went through the same process, DL would be able to bid on some of that as well. To think it would be a JB/VX/NK bonanza is laughable.
In any case its not all or nothing. Even if DL is limited to current 70/76 seat caps, that's more than enough lift to cover any and every regional slot even theoretically in jeopardy, even if it came to that. Need to keep X amount of regional lift in LGA and DCA? Fine, we'll just pull the reduction in lift from MSP, SLC, CVG, ATL (possibly excluding the SKYW gates situation) and DTW instead. Nothing the DOJ can or will do about that. Done deal. Easy peasy.
In any case its not all or nothing. Even if DL is limited to current 70/76 seat caps, that's more than enough lift to cover any and every regional slot even theoretically in jeopardy, even if it came to that. Need to keep X amount of regional lift in LGA and DCA? Fine, we'll just pull the reduction in lift from MSP, SLC, CVG, ATL (possibly excluding the SKYW gates situation) and DTW instead. Nothing the DOJ can or will do about that. Done deal. Easy peasy.
12-02-2016, 08:34 AM
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523XJ mesaba AVRO crashed.
Crash: LAMIA Bolivia RJ85 near Medellin on Nov 28th 2016, electrical problems, impact with terrain
Crash: LAMIA Bolivia RJ85 near Medellin on Nov 28th 2016, electrical problems, impact with terrain
12-02-2016, 08:52 AM
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You're blurring more lines than you're clarifying here. DL could liquidate while EDV remains. Don't think it can't happen. Pan Am, Eastern, etc. If something were to happen that truly endangered the airline, they could easily sell off EDV or spin them off to make quick cash while dismembering the husk of the former mainline.
"Yes anything is possible but its doubtful with only 3 main carriers left and does anyone believe 9E would survive before anything bad happens to DAL?"
A legally striking regional today would have WAY more leverage. And I would think they'd get some help from mainlines and the rest of the industry. I'd gladly pay a relatively large assessment to give them all the leverage they needed to raise the bar and squash the model.
"Yes anything is possible but its doubtful with only 3 main carriers left and does anyone believe 9E would survive before anything bad happens to DAL?"
A legally striking regional today would have WAY more leverage. And I would think they'd get some help from mainlines and the rest of the industry. I'd gladly pay a relatively large assessment to give them all the leverage they needed to raise the bar and squash the model.
Since it appears you have taken it upon yourself to be he answerman at the moment then why was it necessary for DAL MEC to promote changes to ALPA's merger policy before a buyout of COMAIR? Except for greed why is it necessary to have separate systems for literally the same job? If you truly believe in protecting DAL brand then how can it only be protected at one level?
If you had read anything about aviation history and Flying The Line one has to wonder for those that did all the hard work in the beginnings of our airline industry to help their fellow airmen and sacrifices they made, if our current system would meet their approval or an abomination. I think its closer to the latter.
12-02-2016, 09:03 AM
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She was pretty, that's for sure. Very tragic. I've listened to the ATC recordings and you can hear the stress in Captains voice when he requests priority and then emergency citing low gas.to me it seems they just flew it too far and too long. But I'm no expert
12-02-2016, 10:04 AM
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Where does this number 700 keep coming from? We haven't had anywhere near that many leave for Delta... The SSP hasn't even created 700 offers (and as close to the end the program's at, probably won't) We had about 130 leave last year (didn't even send the full amount thanks to "creative accounting") and we should have about 180 this year. By my math we have just over 300 that (will have) left by the end of this year, we have about 200 more waiting to go with about 75 still able to request a second try, but that must be done this month and the interview will be done 1Q next year. We should have a final total of SSP jobs by April, and it won't be close to 700. Even if you add in all the "off the street" managers and military that they have grabbed it still doesn't come close to 700.
FWIW the same info said that only around 70 have moved on to other places in the same time frame. If those figures are even close to being true, even as rough estimates, it still illustrates the same points made.
12-02-2016, 10:10 AM
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There is no way they will force divesture of anything beyond the exact slots in question. Do you think that if DL brought more RJ flying in house that CHQ would then be able to own and sell DL routes to Europe or Japan, or be given a concourse in SEA? Of course not. The absolute worst case would be the rebidding of the exact number of slots in the specific airports in question, with maybe some of them being LCC welfare forced divestures. But that is the absolute worst case. It would not open the entire network up as a menu for other parties to pick and choose from as they saw fit.
12-02-2016, 10:17 AM
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I'm so confused and oblivious. Can someone cite a source so I can read up on how DL will lose in route bids to LCCs? Or is this a round of absurd conjecture? No sarcasm. I genuinely want to get educated.
12-02-2016, 10:18 AM
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You mean like the help COMAIR had? I do not agree with their methods or what they were trying to do but I think any trust was lost on both sides and the bitterness still remains.
Since it appears you have taken it upon yourself to be he answerman at the moment then why was it necessary for DAL MEC to promote changes to ALPA's merger policy before a buyout of COMAIR? Except for greed why is it necessary to have separate systems for literally the same job? If you truly believe in protecting DAL brand then how can it only be protected at one level?
If you had read anything about aviation history and Flying The Line one has to wonder for those that did all the hard work in the beginnings of our airline industry to help their fellow airmen and sacrifices they made, if our current system would meet their approval or an abomination. I think its closer to the latter.
Since it appears you have taken it upon yourself to be he answerman at the moment then why was it necessary for DAL MEC to promote changes to ALPA's merger policy before a buyout of COMAIR? Except for greed why is it necessary to have separate systems for literally the same job? If you truly believe in protecting DAL brand then how can it only be protected at one level?
If you had read anything about aviation history and Flying The Line one has to wonder for those that did all the hard work in the beginnings of our airline industry to help their fellow airmen and sacrifices they made, if our current system would meet their approval or an abomination. I think its closer to the latter.
That risk could have been taken off the table before it even became an issue if the CMR/ASA MEC's had agreed up front that a staple would have been the absolute high water mark, but they refused to precisely because they wanted to take a moon shot. They were convinced that their PID acceptance was mandatory and once initiated, they would have a guaranteed SLI on the way anywhere along the staple-DOH continuum. Because of their greed (as you put it) the entire process was poisoned from the very beginning. They have absolutely no moral leg to stand on. They saw an opportunity for a windfall and took it over and above the unionism they were preaching.
Of course the "giants" upon whose "shoulders we stand" wouldn't like the current state of things relative to this issue. There's been tactical missteps and egos on all sides. But the regionals absolutely have to own their share of it, and the PID attempt in 2000 was completely mishandled on their end out of sheer arrogance and greed.
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