Lyon188

Did any good questions get answered today from the new hire class? Endeavors CEO, COO, Chief pilot and MSP Chief Pilot for Delta all spoke to the new hire class. Can anybody that was there give us a rundown? Any future plans? Bases? etc.

gloopy

LOL there is no way on earth the LCC's would be able to shop the DL menu and take whatever they wanted as a penalty for DL bringing flying back in house. The absolute worse that could ever happen would be a limited divesture (and even then probably just an auction) and the legacy airlines would end up with most of what they had anyway. Even if there was a forced divesture with no opportunity to be the high bidder, AA, SW and UA would also be able to get some, and when they went through the same process, DL would be able to bid on some of that as well. To think it would be a JB/VX/NK bonanza is laughable.

In any case its not all or nothing. Even if DL is limited to current 70/76 seat caps, that's more than enough lift to cover any and every regional slot even theoretically in jeopardy, even if it came to that. Need to keep X amount of regional lift in LGA and DCA? Fine, we'll just pull the reduction in lift from MSP, SLC, CVG, ATL (possibly excluding the SKYW gates situation) and DTW instead. Nothing the DOJ can or will do about that. Done deal. Easy peasy.

4myfamily

What are the odds all the CA vacancies get filled?

As far as flow - that would be great but I would like to see some improvement to the DGI - like no upgrade required. Thoughts?

Five93H

Personally I see that as unlikely. Requiring captaincy for DGI ensures they'll have folks who want to upgrade rather than sit at solid FO pay and high in their seat waiting for a call. They need captains and that is a way to ensure folks go for it.

4myfamily

All the pilots that don't qualify for DGI will upgrade for more pay. There are a lot of new hires that do not have college degrees and therefore no interview for them. Let them upgrade so they can move on to United, SW or LCC.

Yumyum

That's not a valid reason. Problems at home means take a break and come back when you are ready for class. The entire flowback is a bunch of bullshnit! We can't Flow up but they can come back and push arse further south on the seniority list. Nope 👎

JesuitValen

Yup. After a complete beating of a bankruptcy, after the coin toss you can screw it all up and still have a job waiting for you.

Don'tlike it? Who cares.

DGI or GIP is a joke. Blame the company, that's their deal. The SSP has some protection for pilots who get it. How many have come back? 10? 5? 2?

Theres a flow at envoy. Enjoy.

Avroman

Yup if I could have done things over, I'd have jumped to Compass rather than upgrade at Mesaba.... I'd have flowed over a few years ago already, instead I'm stuck waiting for an interview elsewhere.

Avroman

Where does this number 700 keep coming from? We haven't had anywhere near that many leave for Delta... The SSP hasn't even created 700 offers (and as close to the end the program's at, probably won't) We had about 130 leave last year (didn't even send the full amount thanks to "creative accounting") and we should have about 180 this year. By my math we have just over 300 that (will have) left by the end of this year, we have about 200 more waiting to go with about 75 still able to request a second try, but that must be done this month and the interview will be done 1Q next year. We should have a final total of SSP jobs by April, and it won't be close to 700. Even if you add in all the "off the street" managers and military that they have grabbed it still doesn't come close to 700.

JesuitValen

I assumed gloopy knew what he was talking about. 100 flows. 160 or something a year for two years. 192 this year. 100+160+160+192 for end of this year. 610ish?