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Old 11-28-2016, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 42jeff
Been looking into how this works and was just wanting clarification on how the system works.

-I see mention of "qualified children" but bit exactly what "qualifies". My situation....I have 5 kids aged 16, 21,21, 23 and 25. Also, for parents....is there a dependency requirement or just as long as they are my parents.

-I'm assuming there are limits as to how many trips are available but couldn't find that either.

-I understand the differences between the non Rev and low fee fares.



I know they'll probably tell us all this in class but I was just wanting to get it straight before I go in January.



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Old 11-28-2016, 06:25 AM
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May I ask what the current junior Captain is in NY on the -200 and -900? Are people bidding it in new hire class or shortly there after? I am rated but not current. New York does not scare me! Thank you.
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Old 11-28-2016, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Five93H
AA offer true cradle to grave paths. You can be in the system as a CFI, flight benefits, etc then when you have your time, straight into an RJ class.

We are behind on that front, but hopefully not for long. The folks doing our recruiting/hiring are doing their best and staying ahead as much as possible.
I also think AA and Delta are going to take entirely different fundamental approaches to the product they offer their customers. And that in turn reflects on their business and hiring needs. Delta will likely always pay more and offer a better product than American. American is setting itself up to be the "Wally World" of legacy airline flying. Think a huge LCC that also offers different tiers of flying. I just can't see Delta going down that road. A lot of that is Kirby's legacy and look at what his plans are for United now. They are almost identical to what American is already in the process of doing, he's just got a different deck of cards to play with now. American is way more heavily invested in its regional feed at the end of the day. And it has much more to lose if it's regionals fail. Therefore, American needs a flow, attractive compensation packages, and cradle-to-grave career paths to keep the business afloat. Delta doesn't need that, and likely never will.
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Old 11-28-2016, 07:52 AM
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Can anyone clarify for me if I were to TDY somewhere. Would I receive positive space travel to and from my new base each trip or is it just one ride there and one back at the end of the month?

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Old 11-28-2016, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher28
Can anyone clarify for me if I were to TDY somewhere. Would I receive positive space travel to and from my new base each trip or is it just one ride there and one back at the end of the month?

Thanks!
3 round trips or a combination of 6 flights
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Old 11-28-2016, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Braniff DC8
May I ask what the current junior Captain is in NY on the -200 and -900? Are people bidding it in new hire class or shortly there after? I am rated but not current. New York does not scare me! Thank you.
Jr 900 CA: Jan 15 hire
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Old 11-28-2016, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by higney85
I'll bid off and in a quick mental math game, I have 20 names of guys that would be doing the same. Ran out of fingers and toes. 20 + me in under 5 mins for the left seat. 12 flights on DL for 1:30 of time to ATL just from Mem... beats anywhere else hands down. Plenty of others have an easier commute to ATL compared to Dtw and NYC. Some even MSP. I did msp for a while and it worked out ok, and on my weekly flights up I still see many Mem nonrevs heading to or from. A southern base would do far more than attract newhires.
Are all these guys current line flying 900 Captains? Remember, training department are phantom so a move by them doesn't mean anything. Also if it's a move by a 200 Captain it doesn't help the stagnation on the 900. Then the biggest key, would any of these vacating Captains' seats be backfilled anyway????
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Old 11-28-2016, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I also think AA and Delta are going to take entirely different fundamental approaches to the product they offer their customers. And that in turn reflects on their business and hiring needs. Delta will likely always pay more and offer a better product than American. American is setting itself up to be the "Wally World" of legacy airline flying. Think a huge LCC that also offers different tiers of flying. I just can't see Delta going down that road. A lot of that is Kirby's legacy and look at what his plans are for United now. They are almost identical to what American is already in the process of doing, he's just got a different deck of cards to play with now. American is way more heavily invested in its regional feed at the end of the day. And it has much more to lose if it's regionals fail. Therefore, American needs a flow, attractive compensation packages, and cradle-to-grave career paths to keep the business afloat. Delta doesn't need that, and likely never will.
Delta will just have 50% of its customers vist "Wally World" on a daily basis. Get real!
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Old 11-28-2016, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Slaveaway
Legacy as in the hiring process and the "ideal candidate". Someone that represents the average regional airline pilot.
Haven't the majority of regional pilots that interviewed been offered the job? IMO DL's resistance to flows has nothing to do with AK. As of very recently, DL at the highest levels is still very anti flow. That doesn't mean anti regional at all. But they zealously protect their ability to take who they want. And they take most regional pilots who interview. We've only been hiring for a couple/few years and DL has taken what, 700ish EDV pilots? All while attrition to OAL is 1/10th that number? That's probably by far the single largest group unless you combine all military put together, and even then its competitive. Compared to any other regional its probably off the charts.

I'd like to see the ridiculous second day stuff go away though. Lots of good people get burned by that and IMO there is no gain with it. But as for recruiting pilots, they will have no problem if they offer near or above industry leading pay coupled with a pref interview program that takes 700 pilots from a 1700 pilot airline every 2-3 years. Even if there were to be a flow its doubtful the numbers would exceed that.

On the surface it seems like the overall success rate is close to 2/3, especially if you back out the initial wave of unsuccessful applicants that were 100% the result of poorly advertised local union braggadocio over what the program even was in the first place. Now that everyone knows you have to takeout seriously the success rate will probably creep up even higher.

In any case I wouldn't wait for a flow. IMO that's not happening anytime in the next few years at least.
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Old 11-28-2016, 02:59 PM
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I really don't think the majority of new 9E pilots care to go to Delta. They came for the money. A flow is merely a recruiting tool that is a last resort IMO. I can really imagine that when our 9E guys are ready for their interview at the mothership following 2 years of PIC, other airlines would have gotten their attention, and perhaps even interviewed/hired them. Stuff is changing.
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