Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
11-14-2016, 08:50 AM
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General statement..Don't be a Negative Nancy! LOL That's for all my brothers and sisters who had to put up that old hag! Ken, remember our wonderful trip with her and the crazy van ride? I must warn everyone, there will be many turns along this route. LMBO
I came from Express Airlines I/Pinnacle/Endeavor. I have been at Delta 13 months now. This is simply my opinion:
I understand why many find frustration with the SSP. That being said, "we had/you have" no control over the program. (the union negotiated(s) on your behalf, so through input to reps possibly) What you do have control over is when you apply, how hard you prepare. Personally, I never studied so hard and prepared so thoroughly for anything in my life. Does that mean I deserved the offer or was guaranteed an offer? No. Concentrate on what you have control over. I should've been out of the regionals years ago. Nobody to blame but bad timing and me.
I hope as many as possible are successful. Delta is a great place to work. Guess what? As much as we all like to bad mouth regionals over the years and boy it was rough my first few years, Endeavor was a good place to work too. Much better now than when I left last year from what all my friends say. My time there was worth it, if for only one reason. All the friends I made.
I have a cousin who has been trying to get his foot in the door with Delta for several years. Not so much as a peep. Think about all the people who have waited for years to get an interview much less the job. I would submit that the SSP is/was successful even if only 1 person got the nod. At least from that one person's point of view. Now of course who wouldn't want 100% success rate? Like life and the real world that just doesn't happen. I relate the being a wholly owned DCI and SSP participant to pro baseball. You have A, AA, AAA, the majors. Because the Yankees signed you to their A league team in Battle Creek, doesn't guarantee you'll move up to AA, AAA or the Yanks. But you have an opportunity. Make the most of it. Not trying to preach guys/gals just purvey hopefully some leveled headed input.
I remember sitting in DTW ops one day trying to prep another pilot for his upcoming interview. Every question myself or another CA asked this pilot, he made a joke and laughed and it became obvious he wasn't taking it serious. You know how it turned out. Thumbs down. He was a really good guy too. Leave nothing to chance. For those preparing for an interview, a little food for thought. If you ask yourself, should I do this, or should I take that. You have already answered your own question.
One last thing. In my 13 months over at Delta, I've had nearly 100% positive experiences with my CA's. Maybe one or two that were horses rears. Guess what? If you worked at McDonalds flipping burgers it'd be the same. It's no different than Endeavor, just on a larger scale. I have always said hi to pilots I pass in the terminals. That's just me and for those who know me, you know it's true. I don't give a rip if anybody doesn't do it to me though. I can't control what someone else does. However, I have found over the years that you attract more bees with honey.
I'll end with this. My wife asked me right after I left Endeavor but prior to starting class at Delta, "What are you most proud of from all your years at Express-acle-deavor?" You know what my answer was? Not that I never got violated ( not for ATC lack of trying
), or never dinged a plane, (except for that baggage cart that was pushed in front of my left wing during parking ). Nope, it was simply that when I walked through the terminals anywhere in our system, I would hear, "Hey Toolman", and be greeted with a smile! I'm sure one or two folks told me I was #1 behind my back, but that's okay!
Don't do like I did for years and sit and wait for the major leagues to come calling. Go to them and show them what you're made of ! If you get knocked down, get back up and push forwards.
Unlike 99%, I have no problem saying my name.
To all my former co-workers, keep the dirty side down and what are you waiting for?
Sincerely, Tim "Toolman" Taylor
I came from Express Airlines I/Pinnacle/Endeavor. I have been at Delta 13 months now. This is simply my opinion:
I understand why many find frustration with the SSP. That being said, "we had/you have" no control over the program. (the union negotiated(s) on your behalf, so through input to reps possibly) What you do have control over is when you apply, how hard you prepare. Personally, I never studied so hard and prepared so thoroughly for anything in my life. Does that mean I deserved the offer or was guaranteed an offer? No. Concentrate on what you have control over. I should've been out of the regionals years ago. Nobody to blame but bad timing and me.
I hope as many as possible are successful. Delta is a great place to work. Guess what? As much as we all like to bad mouth regionals over the years and boy it was rough my first few years, Endeavor was a good place to work too. Much better now than when I left last year from what all my friends say. My time there was worth it, if for only one reason. All the friends I made.
I have a cousin who has been trying to get his foot in the door with Delta for several years. Not so much as a peep. Think about all the people who have waited for years to get an interview much less the job. I would submit that the SSP is/was successful even if only 1 person got the nod. At least from that one person's point of view. Now of course who wouldn't want 100% success rate? Like life and the real world that just doesn't happen. I relate the being a wholly owned DCI and SSP participant to pro baseball. You have A, AA, AAA, the majors. Because the Yankees signed you to their A league team in Battle Creek, doesn't guarantee you'll move up to AA, AAA or the Yanks. But you have an opportunity. Make the most of it. Not trying to preach guys/gals just purvey hopefully some leveled headed input.
I remember sitting in DTW ops one day trying to prep another pilot for his upcoming interview. Every question myself or another CA asked this pilot, he made a joke and laughed and it became obvious he wasn't taking it serious. You know how it turned out. Thumbs down. He was a really good guy too. Leave nothing to chance. For those preparing for an interview, a little food for thought. If you ask yourself, should I do this, or should I take that. You have already answered your own question.
One last thing. In my 13 months over at Delta, I've had nearly 100% positive experiences with my CA's. Maybe one or two that were horses rears. Guess what? If you worked at McDonalds flipping burgers it'd be the same. It's no different than Endeavor, just on a larger scale. I have always said hi to pilots I pass in the terminals. That's just me and for those who know me, you know it's true. I don't give a rip if anybody doesn't do it to me though. I can't control what someone else does. However, I have found over the years that you attract more bees with honey.
I'll end with this. My wife asked me right after I left Endeavor but prior to starting class at Delta, "What are you most proud of from all your years at Express-acle-deavor?" You know what my answer was? Not that I never got violated ( not for ATC lack of trying
), or never dinged a plane, (except for that baggage cart that was pushed in front of my left wing during parking ). Nope, it was simply that when I walked through the terminals anywhere in our system, I would hear, "Hey Toolman", and be greeted with a smile! I'm sure one or two folks told me I was #1 behind my back, but that's okay! Don't do like I did for years and sit and wait for the major leagues to come calling. Go to them and show them what you're made of ! If you get knocked down, get back up and push forwards.
Unlike 99%, I have no problem saying my name.
To all my former co-workers, keep the dirty side down and what are you waiting for?
Sincerely, Tim "Toolman" Taylor
If it's possible to condense this down to one word it would be humble. Live it, be it, show it.
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11-14-2016, 08:53 AM
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11-14-2016, 09:00 AM
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I'll give you a pass on that one; everyone gets emotional from time to time. But still, LOLOMG!
Our current CP and ex MEC chair couldn't pass the SSP.
I'm sure he had a bad attitude also.
I'm sure he had a bad attitude also.
Seriously.
How many hours did those two individuals put in? Did they go in humble, or with an attitude? Its no secret that many regional pilots have a huge sense of entitlement. That's nothing unique to Endeavor; its been going on for a long time everywhere. For some reason, WO's have a next level sense of said entitlement. If they catch you carrying even 10% of that into an interview, its almost impossible to get the nod. Airlines have hired pilots before who have fooled them nonetheless, and had problems later. Perhaps you're referring to this:
A hypothetical flow pilot would still have to pass training and probation. Wouldn't that weed out problems?
Seems like HR is worried about job security
and mainline pilots are worried their s--it smells the same as ours.
What are you even talking about now? Do you think UAL pilots think they're better than AA pilots because they can't just automatically flow on over? How dare UPS expect SWA pilots to interview, and vice versa. For that matter, is it elitist of Endeavor to do any kind of screening whatsoever for pilots at other regionals? Or should every airline have a flow to every other airline in your ideal world?
11-14-2016, 09:06 AM
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11-14-2016, 09:11 AM
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This right here.
Whatever the odds are (someone said 65%?) if you go in with his mentality (coupled with massive preparation commensurate with a multimillion dollar career, instead of hoping its just a handshake so you don't have to work hard at it for a few weeks or so) then your odds will likely be north of 90%. There will always be a few who slip through that shouldn't, and a few who get passed up that should have gotten hired.
But as is, you go in with a greater chance to get it than not get it, and you can increase your odds substantially by being like this guy.
Whatever the odds are (someone said 65%?) if you go in with his mentality (coupled with massive preparation commensurate with a multimillion dollar career, instead of hoping its just a handshake so you don't have to work hard at it for a few weeks or so) then your odds will likely be north of 90%. There will always be a few who slip through that shouldn't, and a few who get passed up that should have gotten hired.
But as is, you go in with a greater chance to get it than not get it, and you can increase your odds substantially by being like this guy.
11-14-2016, 10:21 AM
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This right here.
Whatever the odds are (someone said 65%?) if you go in with his mentality (coupled with massive preparation commensurate with a multimillion dollar career, instead of hoping its just a handshake so you don't have to work hard at it for a few weeks or so) then your odds will likely be north of 90%. There will always be a few who slip through that shouldn't, and a few who get passed up that should have gotten hired.
But as is, you go in with a greater chance to get it than not get it, and you can increase your odds substantially by being like this guy.
Whatever the odds are (someone said 65%?) if you go in with his mentality (coupled with massive preparation commensurate with a multimillion dollar career, instead of hoping its just a handshake so you don't have to work hard at it for a few weeks or so) then your odds will likely be north of 90%. There will always be a few who slip through that shouldn't, and a few who get passed up that should have gotten hired.
But as is, you go in with a greater chance to get it than not get it, and you can increase your odds substantially by being like this guy.
11-14-2016, 10:34 AM
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[QUOTE=Yumyum;2243047]Did it ever occur to you that Delta can't hire our entire pilot group? Yes a percentage moved on and good for them. Staffing regional airlines is going to worse in the coming years. Why would Delta want to drain Endeavor pilots? Seems that would only contribute to the problem. Also don't kid yourself about the interview prep... some Endeavor guys studied their you know what off and still got the shaft. All you can do is move on and apply elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
Yup, while they grabbed up several of our sim instructors and check airmen, they certainly passed over quite a few very good ones.... enough to make sure it didn't disrupt training here. We are a golden goose of profit for Delta. They will squeeze every last egg they can out of here.
Yup, while they grabbed up several of our sim instructors and check airmen, they certainly passed over quite a few very good ones.... enough to make sure it didn't disrupt training here. We are a golden goose of profit for Delta. They will squeeze every last egg they can out of here.
11-14-2016, 10:56 AM
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Well, Delta likes to hire line check airmen and sim instructors, and those guys are unfortunately not in short supply right now. Why on earth should they hire a run-of-the-mill line pilot with the same conventional background as 2000 other FOs/CAs also vying for a single spot to work there? And moreover, they don't want to drain their regional feed as mentioned already.
11-14-2016, 10:56 AM
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Did it ever occur to you that Delta can't hire our entire pilot group? Yes a percentage moved on and good for them. Staffing regional airlines is going to worse in the coming years. Why would Delta want to drain Endeavor pilots? Seems that would only contribute to the problem. Also don't kid yourself about the interview prep... some Endeavor guys studied their you know what off and still got the shaft. All you can do is move on and apply elsewhere.
But its no secret that many of the SSP candidates (at least initially) walked in (ridiculously) thinking it was just a good old boy, buddy roe, "grin and grip" and that's just asinine.
Again, I never said that if you prepare well, you will have a 100% chance of getting the job. That's never the case. But if the average is around 2/3, and we know there are some who don't take it seriously and some who have attitudes, its safe to say that if you do take it seriously and don't have an attitude, your odds will be above the average.
As for the draining of pilots issue, there's two sides to that coin. On the one hand they need to provide an incentive to get pilots to go and stay there (for a while at least) and on the other hand they, like you said, can't just gut the operation instantly into oblivion. Also though, they want good pilots and good people to work with from all sources.
I'm all for a viable path from EDV to DAL, but its never going to be 100%. And no one is ever going to be "shafted" or whatever because they weren't hired by DL or anywhere else.
While no one knows what the future of this segment of the industry will hold, I think its safe to say there likely won't ever be a pure 100% flow at DL. But when you start out with a 2/3 success rate, and can increase those odds by preparing hard and having a good attitude, that's pretty darn good IMO.
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