wmichflyer

New hires may not be on reserve very long, but what about junior captains in DTW and MSP?

mnpilot

I agree with you, especially after this weeks election anything possible. I hope that there is a flow however I just don't see it. Like some of the other posts have stated, Delta wants control and I believe they think everyone wants to work for them, so why just hand a job offer to a lowly regional guy. I feel that the powers that be at Delta as well as their pilot group have no respect for us regional guys and feel we don't deserve a flow. Maybe it goes back to the old Comair thing I don't know. I hope your right and I'm wrong, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

WhiskeyDelta

I don't speak for the entire Delta pilot group but what have you to understand is the majority were hired without flow. They feel they earned the job by interviewing. It's not a question of whether regional pilots "deserve a flow." Look at it as more of a rite of passage, badge of honor, etc. This same thing applies to our new hire training hotels. I can't tell you how many captains I've flown with that don't give a crap about negotiating for them because they didn't get them decades ago.

I think the only way a flow happens is if Delta gets desperate but I would expect push back from the Delta pilot group. Not because you're less worthy but because it's a new concept and change is hard to get used to. In the end, don't take it personally.

msprj2

Right, we wont take it personally, when we fly Delta's passengers and the thanks we get from Delta pilots is NO to a flow in addition to wishing the demise of DCI.

WhiskeyDelta

No employee is deserving until they are hired by a company they want to work for. The lines between Endeavor and Delta are clear. They are separate companies so I'd think twice about copping an attitude of feeling deserving of something you haven't earned by interviewing. If anything your sense of entitlement is misdirected. It should be pointed at management. They are in control of this, not the pilots. Unless of course you have concrete evidence DALPA told management to stuff it when approached with a flow LOA. To my knowledge that hasn't happened.

I flew US Air passengers for almost a decade for ZW. I never felt entitled to a job at Airways because of it. Has it crossed your mind that maybe the attitude you seem to be portraying is the attitude Delta doesn't want in its employees?

Lastly, don't take any of this to mean I'm not in support of a flow. It certainly has its advantages. However, as of right now, this is Delta's philosophy and there's no sense in crying in your Cheerio's over something you have no control over.


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Beast

It's clear to me that the 200s are coming from ASA

msprj2

I never said I wanted or deserved a flow. But the fact that Delta pilots are against it and against us, DCI pilots is disappointing. Think they call
That cronyism.

Avroman

Well if by junior you mean over 11 years here, Yup, reserve with little hope of getting off again anytime soon. (Spare me the "then move to New York", we don't make anywere near enough to afford that)

WhiskeyDelta

Yeah, you did say, albeit indirectly, you feel you deserve flow because you fly Delta passengers. How else am I supposed to take that? Why else would you react so vehemently towards someone trying to show the bigger picture?

Some at Delta are against the concept of a flow. They are not against you as a pilot. I think you're taking this too personally.

I'll say it again because it's worth repeating. You nor I are in control of this. It is just business and until those in charge see it a different way, the current process is the way it'll be. Shoot the messenger all you want but it's the really of the situation.


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Avroman

I think the bigger problem is the way some of the SSP pilots were treated during the interview process. How would you have taken an interview at US Air where at the end the manager in charge of the hiring tells you "You aren't Airways material, but I hear Spirit is hiring. Oh but while you wait for that keep doing the best job possible at Air Wisconsin flying our passengers around"

That has a way of putting a bad taste in your mouth when you then have to go back to flying (fill in the brand) light. If I'm not good enough to fly at Mainline, I shouldn't be considered good enough to fly at the express/connection carrier either, especially with how much all the airlines go out of their way to hide the difference to the passengers.