Red lion I think?

Definitely would be. I don't need to drink, rarely do, which is why I want to know when it's ok to have one on a flight and when it isn't. On top of that...could someone explain what the difference between
Pos. Space
Deadhead
Non rev
Jump seating
And when they are applicable to work travel/leisure travel? If you are JS'ing in the cabin aren't you a non rev/dead head?? I'm thoroughly confused with the terminology.

Positive space and deadheading are more or less interchangeable...you are assured a seat by the company. Can't drink. I'm not sure if you can drink while being positive spaced to/from training. I wouldn't do it.

Nonreving could be going on vacation, or going to work on standby. You aren't working. You are using your travel benefits to get from one place to another on your own time. Not on duty, don't have to be in uniform, can drink.

Jumpseating could be on any airline, you will probably get a seat in the back, if not, in the cockpit. You are utilizing agreements between airlines/pilot unions to go on vacation/go to work. Can't drink no matter where you are seated.

And a PS to the stickler that called you out for having a drinking problem just for asking a simple question: You don't have to be an alcoholic to enjoy a free drink or two on a flight.

Hell if I know, I was never there. I'd guess they didn't have van transport to the sim center, which isn't located at the airport...

So if I am understanding you, are you saying that a 7 year captain would do better with the current pay rate and the 23k bonus rather than the new pay rate without the bonus?

I'm a potential return to work with 7 years longevity. Looking at FO pay with 23k then a hopeful upgrade relatively soon (I know, to be the plug in NYC). Just trying to get a handle on what to expect as far as pay the first couple of years.

No this is being misunderstood. What he was saying is that those in the 3-7 year bracket may see a slight pay cut WITH THE BONUS INCLUDED in pay rates. So for example a 4 year captain may only get an $18-20 an hour raise when the bonus is incorporated into pay, whereas a 12 year captain may see a $25 an hour raise, hence The "smoothing".

The bottom line is that in this negotiating environment no one is going to see too drastic of a pay cut from what they are making now with base wages + bonus.

The sky is not falling folks.

Gotcha, thanks!

It sure would be nice to see about 129-130/hr for 12 yr plus Captains.

Any indication on a timeframe for the rates to change?

Is the FO rate only going to be a 4 year rate again or will it increase past the 4 year mark?

Not sure honesty, but at this point you are only a 4 year FO here by choice. Far different from a year ago when 8 year guys were capped out.

No one should make less at guarantee with the new rates, not in this environment.