Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Reality is that, overall, 60% of Endeavor pilots that interviewed with Delta are already there or are on their way there within the next year and a half. Over the course of time... what is that... 500-600 pilots total? More? That is far, far more that ended up or will end up at Delta than if the program did not exist. 60% overall success rate is actually damned good, considering applications were not vetted in advanced. Apps weren't screened. This accounts for the guy that brought in a cardboard box full of trip books. And the guy that ****ed on the wall after his double No. They... those people... that probably would have never gotten a call in the first place... were guaranteed an interview. So I'd say 60% is very good when you look at the reality of the situation and the context alongside the numbers.

If Endeavor applications had been vetted and the only applicants called were those that fit in the tier level of current competitive hiring, hundreds of Endeavor guys would not have been considered competitive enough for an interview at this time or in the past couple years. But the interview was given, and the rest up to the candidate.

Want reality? Here's a reality check. Maybe you have to work for something in life as opposed to feeling entitled to a handout. Maybe you should have to look someone in the eye and answer some questions before landing what many consider one of the most lucrative jobs in aviation. Maybe it shouldn't be a handout. Actually, we all got a handout -- an interview -- when scoring just an interview in and of itself is something that folks at other regionals would kill each other for. They stand in long lines at job fairs and get tail dragger endorsements and update their app everyday for years and still hear nothing. Want a handout? Give the recruiters at PSA or Envoy a call, do your 3 minute phone "interview", and sit in line and wait to flow up to American. Want to skip a 9 year flow by going to a top paying job within a year or a couple? Crack a damn book and put in a little work. It never ceases to amaze me how that concept is such an incredible ask for some.

The disillusioned reality that you live in is that you believe and feel rightfully entitled to move up to mainline, since you fly DCI planes. You feel you deserve it for some reason. Maybe working for something and earning something for once in an otherwise entirely seniority-controlled progression system isn't such a bad idea. Maybe having candidates vetted before joining a company is smart. Or maybe you believe I'm the completely disillusioned one because I dare say this. If so, quit Endeavor right now and go sign up for your handout career with another regional. It is literally a phone call away.

Originally Posted by FreightWasScary

Then leave nobody cares..... Starting at the bottom of another list sounds smart with the amount of movement here. You can't fix stupid.

Originally Posted by JesuitValen

You managed to quote a fact inside my fact. The majority of guys here since the turn around, lets call it nov or dec 2014, havent been helped by the ssp and even your ssp updates from russ say that. The majority of guys didnt want it or got the double no. So people can be forgiven if they state that the SSP is worthless to them. They have an argument and that could be true of the 1400 or 1500 pilots that stayed (not the 1800 that left after bankruptcy)

God, it must drive you nuts guys like me and my entitled attitude have the ssp. Even more so
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You and your indignation seems a little silly.

Originally Posted by Nantonaku

The SSP helped everyone but the lifers - tremendously. Upgrades are now at 1 year - the SSP is a large part of why, 180 pilots above you going to ONE airline - Skywest is twice as big as 9E and how many pilots there went to Delta last year? 20? To say the SSP hasn't helped the new guys is pretty ridiculous. The large scale movement you see now would be no where near the level it is at without the SSP.

Originally Posted by CODs4ever

Any SSP candidates without a bachelors degree getting the CJO?

Originally Posted by CODs4ever

Any DTW pilots who know a good AME in the area you can recommend, please PM me. Need to renew my first class. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

Yes, basically Delta pays a flat rate to rent our aircraft, they then resell those seats. The profits we collect are off that agreed upon rate, not actual sales. What Delta makes in profit off selling those seats is posted in SEC fillings. So while we don't make any profit, Delta makes about a billion reselling our seats. Since Delta does the selling, they are entitled to the profits. Where the waters get muddy is that our rates are determined by our customer, and not the free market.