Originally Posted by gloopy

There's never not going to be an attempt to further loosen scope. They'll always try it seems. The hilarious thing is that they're offering to park 50s they can't staff anyway and want to park anyway, in exchange for true mainline replacing/threatening DC-9-10 replacement jets, of which they already have WAY too many of.

Hopefully we don't fall for it anymore.

FWIW I don't mind the SSP and a pathway to mainline, even an aggressive one. Maybe this is the market/timing to build on something like that not only without lowering the bar at DCI but continuing to raise it. Hopefully the compensation required to attract and retain pilots will become permanent parts of your CBA rather than a band aid "bonus" program.

Originally Posted by seminolepilot

When did you get done with OE? It might be that they won't give you access to flica until they get the paperwork from your OE captain which if it's the weekend they won't get it until Monday.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Lolwut?

I get that DCI pilots work hard and most are great pilots and employees etc.

I've never seen a negative attitude towards a DCI jumpseater and have indeed seen DL crews go out of their way to accommodate them (as it should be). I have seen some DCI jumpers act waaaaaaay too casual about it, dressed waaaaaaaay under our already generous standards and flashing an ID saying "I'll be jumpseating up here I guess" etc but have still been allowed on, even in cases where the (already liberal) rules say they shouldn't have been.

That's the exception, of course, as most DCI jumpseaters are professional and courteous and get the big picture. Are there some mainline crews that are jerks? Sure, and I can guarantee you there are the same types at DCI and everywhere.

That said, DCI is not DAL. I'm against management being able to use DCI as a shell company regardless of WO status or not, and wish we were all on one list with one CBA (although 100% staple or it never happens) that said, you have zero to gain from expecting to be a DL employee in full while at DCI or any other WO or sub.

As a pilot, if you're not on the DAL pilot seniority list and covered under the DAL pilot PWA scope section, you don't work at DAL. Period. Thinking otherwise is just toxic. Just ask ASA, Compass and Comair, or for that matter DGS or the old Comair Aviation Academy. Its irrelevant. If you want to work for DL, apply and work for DL, because currently you don't; Delta being included in the Delta Connection portion of the logo on your badge means nothing.

Originally Posted by seminolepilot

They can only keep kicking the can down the road for so much longer. The union said they have some numbers in mind to basically make the bonus a pay rate but I haven't heard any exact numbers. Maybe the big D will consider a flow in the future idk. A lot of people say they weren't happy with some of the guys they had flow from Compass or the program all together.

Originally Posted by mooney

Last week at recurrent the union guys were saying $130ish/hr top out for 900 CA.

Originally Posted by Skittles9E

I've heard an $18-20 hourly increase

Originally Posted by Fourpaw

My favorite part is when Delta guys come up to the front to jump seat and act as if the FO doesn't even exist. We are all men aren't we? How are you going to come up to the front of a tiny little closet and shack the hand of the captain and bs with him and not even look at the FO? Last I checked it takes two to get the plane from a to b. Anytime I jump seat I recognize both pilots, since we are all human beings and all....

Originally Posted by gloopy

I've seen that on the mainline end as well from jumpseaters of all airlines and backgrounds. Most introduce themselves to the FO, but many don't. I agree its a nice touch and the right thing to do.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Lolwut?

I get that DCI pilots work hard and most are great pilots and employees etc.

I've never seen a negative attitude towards a DCI jumpseater and have indeed seen DL crews go out of their way to accommodate them (as it should be). I have seen some DCI jumpers act waaaaaaay too casual about it, dressed waaaaaaaay under our already generous standards and flashing an ID saying "I'll be jumpseating up here I guess" etc but have still been allowed on, even in cases where the (already liberal) rules say they shouldn't have been.

That's the exception, of course, as most DCI jumpseaters are professional and courteous and get the big picture. Are there some mainline crews that are jerks? Sure, and I can guarantee you there are the same types at DCI and everywhere.

That said, DCI is not DAL. I'm against management being able to use DCI as a shell company regardless of WO status or not, and wish we were all on one list with one CBA (although 100% staple or it never happens) that said, you have zero to gain from expecting to be a DL employee in full while at DCI or any other WO or sub.

As a pilot, if you're not on the DAL pilot seniority list and covered under the DAL pilot PWA scope section, you don't work at DAL. Period. Thinking otherwise is just toxic. Just ask ASA, Compass and Comair, or for that matter DGS or the old Comair Aviation Academy. Its irrelevant. If you want to work for DL, apply and work for DL, because currently you don't; Delta being included in the Delta Connection portion of the logo on your badge means nothing.

Originally Posted by JSDL

I hope you're wrong because the 23k bonus equates to $25.55 hr.